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Train & Tube Strikes - Has There Ever Been a
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Penrose2017
Posted - 10 January 2017 20:36
Time in the last 10/15 years when the Employers have yielded or vice versa. Seems to me employees always "win" .

Second question, why is it so rare for Bus drivers to go on strike. In London apparently they are on £23k.Why not become a train or tube driver, on twice the money, and a stronger bargaining position?
YossarianFriday
Posted - 10 January 2017 20:42
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Presumbly easier to train as bus driver than train driver. I appreciate there is some TfL control of buses but aren't they different operating companies and more competition compared to trains/underground.
Penrose2017
Posted - 10 January 2017 20:51
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Yoss, good point.But they start on 24k as raw trainees, and after a mere 12-16 weeks training, they are on 49k plus 43 days holiday.

The interesting piece here is that there are 1000's of wannabee tube drivers and applicants. Yet they still pay these excellent packages, and they still strike.

When I asked a friend of a friend who is a fireman, why dont you go on strike, his reply was there are 11 applicants for every new fire fighter position, so our bargaining power is nearly nil. Yes that may be true, but I bet the applicants per place for a tube driver trainee is ten fold that, yet they still demand everything.
Penrose2017
Posted - 10 January 2017 20:52
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And Why do is their base twice that of a FY Dr?
Penrose2017
Posted - 11 January 2017 15:58
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Anyone..
Pinkus
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:09
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Thought it was 22 weeks to train a tube driver?

Thinking hypothetically, in order to ensure that there are no strikes you'd need a sufficient supply of standby drivers to mean that they could constantly run sufficient services in the event of a strike. Nothing to say that if they pay new drivers a lower base, that they won't then go on strike for better wages.
Queen E
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:09
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Saillaw
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:14
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Penrose you can apply to become a bus driver directly but to become a tube driver you have to have joined as a platform attendant and worked your way up and so the unions effectively control the number of applicants for train driving jobs.

I think as well as there being far more bus operators there are more unions covering bus drivers so no single union can manage to shut down the network by striking on its own.
Penrose2017
Posted - 11 January 2017 16:53
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Ah sail, I had no idea you had to work the platforms first, are u sure? But don't TFL, decide who and when one becomes a tube driver, ie don't they control the supply and demand?
Parsnip
Posted - 11 January 2017 17:31
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yes the unions have a deal so you can never be a member of the public and apply to be a tube driver - they only recruit for those internally
Saillaw
Posted - 11 January 2017 18:22
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Yes there is no way as a member of the public to apply to be a tube train driver. You have to join TfL then apply internally. Although TfL makes the decision I suspect that the union members in management make sure that their members get through selection ahead of non-union members of staff. You have to remember that most of the TfL management are also union members and I suspect it's only very senior management who aren't.
unpresidented
Posted - 11 January 2017 18:27
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Or "a racket"