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intheregions
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:16
If they stayed on their feet at the ruck they might not crock themselves
Terence Brent D'arby
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:17
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Go on Rory Best!
Terence Brent D'arby
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:17
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Oh ffs!
intheregions
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:26
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Jeez, how big are his shoulder pads!?
Osama
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:33
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im still getting over the paris last 20
Elphi
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:38
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Come on England
intheregions
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:51
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7pts down with fvck all possession and we've looked like khvnts when we have had it. I'll take that
Chambers
Posted - 18 March 2017 17:59
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Its only half time. And obviously we have already won the thing.
Osama
Posted - 18 March 2017 18:11
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watson's gone for the Tutankhamun look
the probosciformed wang
Posted - 18 March 2017 18:24
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Another shocking game. This'll be 6 hours i'll not get back. Ffs
Osama
Posted - 18 March 2017 18:44
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id have given that pen kick to daly
Elphi
Posted - 18 March 2017 18:45
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Should have run that
Elphi
Posted - 18 March 2017 18:49
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Useful kick by Ireland
Elphi
Posted - 18 March 2017 18:52
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Fields of Athenry
the probosciformed wang
Posted - 18 March 2017 18:55
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Well won but snoresome days rugby
Terence Brent D'arby
Posted - 18 March 2017 19:10
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Pretty d1ckish play from England, I realise it's the go to tactic to hit Sexton late but it's not very edifying and the ref should show some guts.
Osama
Posted - 18 March 2017 19:11
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Out fought. Well done Ireland

Paddy's weekend, quiet night
Gravitas? What Gravitas?
Posted - 18 March 2017 20:22
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I've never understood how the Irish get a free pass for the anti-rugby they play. Choke tackles and kick and chase do not an entertaining game make.
Osama
Posted - 18 March 2017 20:24
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only england do, its the law
intheregions
Posted - 18 March 2017 20:27
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It's boring but I don't mind it. It's the constant killing of the ball with complete impunity that really fvcks me off. The only ref ever to call it properly was Wayne Barnes and he was vilified by the Irish rugby press as a result.
Osama
Posted - 18 March 2017 20:28
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well he is english
Terence Brent D'arby
Posted - 18 March 2017 20:45
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Oh come on, Ireland play some fantastic rugby, their handling is a joy to behold at times. If the opposition's idea of a defensive plan is to put the FH in A&E don't be surprised if it goes up in the air.

And England aren't exactly a joy for the neutrals either.
Osama
Posted - 18 March 2017 20:58
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ireland often play lovely stuff

today/rain/occasion wasnt the day for it with their injuries
InfiniteMonkeyTheorem
Posted - 18 March 2017 21:01
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Heh @ the journey of the English on this thread. From misguided self-belief, to realisation that the game was not theirs and finally to the accusations of boring play from the boys in green.
Saracens1876
Posted - 19 March 2017 09:50
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Well played Ireland. Great performance and well deserved victory.

For the English fans - wtf? He has got to sort out the captain issue. His loyalty to Hartley is looking foolish. Hartley is not world class. England need their captain to be the first or second name on the team sheet.

Full back. Thanks Mike Brown - you have been a great servant but we need attacking options from full back.

Performance wise, they have been very patchy save for the dynamic first twenty against Italy and the last 10 against Wales.

Still someway short of the 2003 side and nowhere near NZ on yesterday's performance.

Anyway, no injuries hopefully.
Saracens1876
Posted - 19 March 2017 09:52
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Scotland. Italy first twently was a nightmare.
rogermellie
Posted - 19 March 2017 10:00
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We need a revamp of back 3. A 7 and a new skipper

In neutral venues ie japan we will be a match for anyone...

Plus the japanese love eddie so england will get an easy ride

England to beat someone other than nz in the final
Siegfreid
Posted - 19 March 2017 11:01
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England is a v good side but I'd be worried about their slow reactions to adapt their play (see Italy match). They will get beaten by weaker, cannier sides unless they smarten up.

this bolix about the celts upping their game against England - Scotland and Wales played by far their best rugby against Ireland; granted, Ireland played their best against England (at home, etc).
Osama
Posted - 19 March 2017 11:43
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i agree brown has played his last start

remember ej says he hasnt started on attacking yet, im sure that will start next season
Siegfreid
Posted - 19 March 2017 13:44
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Cool. So that will tay-totally fvck the defensive effort.
Osama
Posted - 19 March 2017 13:50
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matt perry was a great defensive full back but ckive knew we needed more

i think daly will end up 15
rogermellie
Posted - 19 March 2017 13:54
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Daly will certainly be our 15 and one of the best
Osama
Posted - 19 March 2017 13:57
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pace, vision, huge boot
Chambers
Posted - 19 March 2017 14:04
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If Daly gets the ball in his own 22, I could see him having a go at a 60 or 70 metre drop goal if needed. I can't remember seeing anyone do that.
Osama
Posted - 19 March 2017 14:06
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his place kick is very measured, he just jabs it! timing
Saracens1876
Posted - 19 March 2017 14:10
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thing is when you watch the game live you can watch one player. I did watch Brown once when they played us and I think his best is behind him and NZ are ruthless with players like that. Thanks mate. Bye.

We have great strength in certain positions and less so in others. But we have a big step up to be a side that can wing ugly but also run in when there is space to do so and have players with real pace and guile. Wem won't win the world cup by scoring penalties so we need to have different styles of play and this needs on field leadership and players who as Wilko said ' play as one'
Chambers
Posted - 19 March 2017 14:18
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Actually I think the South African guy Steyn did a long range drop goal once. When time has run out its almost the only option. Chances are it will miss, but you never know.
Osama
Posted - 19 March 2017 14:21
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i remember that, at altitude
tarquin
Posted - 19 March 2017 15:03
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You in the Drummond at the moment Chambo?
Chambers
Posted - 19 March 2017 15:28
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Nope, are you tarquin? I suppose I could wander down there, now the Sunday lunch crowd will have thinned out.
tarquin
Posted - 19 March 2017 15:41
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No. Just had a feeling you might be, Sunday n'all
old git roundabout
Posted - 20 March 2017 08:49
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Why not Watson at 15, in his club position?

We are still weak at scrum half. Can't see any new talent emerging, maybe Spencer at Sarries?
12
Posted - 20 March 2017 10:02
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Hold up.

Congratulations Ireland, who played brilliantly. We looked rubbish (we were, generally) because their intensity at the breakdown was phenomenal. They cheated a bit (as do we usually, as do most decent sides, so no issues with that), scrapped for everything, and flustered us out of ideas.

Don't forget though, the 2003 side did this. I'm actually ok with it - learning some hard lessons this season should stand us in good stead, and with George to come in, Brown to go, and fully fit players to come back, we should be ok. Missed Robshaw I thought.

Let's be honest though, if Wales and Ireland played most games the way they do against us, they'd win far more often.

Anyway, as Sarries said this should be the end of Mike Brown. Faithful servant, thanks very much, but goodbye please.
harlequin01
Posted - 20 March 2017 15:25
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"Let's be honest though, if ... Ireland played most games the way they do against us, they'd win far more often"

Rather Anglocentric, non? Ireland have beaten New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and France in the last 12 months. Beating England is fairly unremarkable these days tbh.
Terence Brent D'arby
Posted - 20 March 2017 15:34
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What harlequin said except to add that Wales put in their best performance of the whole tournament against Ireland.
harlequin01
Posted - 20 March 2017 15:51
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Very true
Jethro won it for Labour
Posted - 20 March 2017 15:54
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Yes Ireland were magnificent. A perfect defensive performance following an early try on the break. A bit like the Leicester City formula. They were so quick to the breakdown it was untrue. Somewhat ironic that it was masterminded by a coach we dispensed with who happens to be the father of our best player.
harlequin01
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:01
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Yes it must have been properly weird for the Farrells.
Osama
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:04
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reunited for the lions
mum is the kicking coach
intheregions
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:32
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They were so quick to the breakdown it was untrue. Somewhat ironic that it was masterminded by a coach we dispensed with who happens to be the father of our best player.

they were also off their feet at every breakdown too
Osama
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:36
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revenge for haskers late hit
Shooter
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:38
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I love that gif. It's like Sexton is the stroppy little toddler trying to hit the adult when he doesn't get his own way. Haskell doesn't even flinch.
Jethro won it for Labour
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:39
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Part of what makes a great rugby team is managing to get away with things like that without the referee noticing. I don't blame them to be honest.
Terence Brent D'arby
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:45
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sounds like we need to call a couple of waaaaahmbulances....

rogermellie
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:56
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I love rugby but hate the way laws are open to interpretation by the refs
Osama
Posted - 20 March 2017 16:58
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part of the game innit
Saracens1876
Posted - 20 March 2017 17:10
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Ireland have traditionally played that way..fast and frenetic and try to disrupt although to be fair they have some class players but they love a game to open up. I just cannot work out what our game plan was? Eddie says the team was not prepared well by him and that JS coached Ireland brilliantly. It just seemed that England could not get into the game and change their tactics. Even after half -time it seemed there was no clear idea other than carry on and hope for some penalties.
Jethro won it for Labour
Posted - 20 March 2017 17:13
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To be honest we were poor in every game in this Championship except the Scotland one. We only won against Wales because the Taffs kicked the ball straight to us and basically invited us to score.
One more time
Posted - 20 March 2017 17:14
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the notion that the celts get up for the England game is so fucking arrogant. ie Ireland aren't that good, they just overplayed....wtf

Newsflash Wales and Ireland regularly beat England.

You only had to watch the Wales Ireland game the week before to notice that if either team trun up with their A game England will struggle.

I am not sure what you expected from a side that has beaten all 3 SH teams in the last 12 months. This wasn't a peculiarly good performance from Ireland. It just reflects how good they actually are.

As you were.
Gravitas? What Gravitas?
Posted - 20 March 2017 17:26
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There was a point in the third quarter where England started to put a bit of territory and possession together, and I thought this would be the start of the comeback, but the Irish snuffed it out again fairly quick. I would have like to see what Farrell and Teo would have down with what ball they had but Teo's injury seemed to coincide with the Irish raising their game again.