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EuroPrepper
Posted - 21 April 2017 11:39
Out of those two? Le Pen.
minkie
Posted - 21 April 2017 12:51
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I asked a Parisian friend this question last night, he said he couldnt choose. Although the lefty might be easier to get rid of because the country would be bankrupt in v short order.

He said if they both come through he will move his business to Luxembourg immediately, plans already in place
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:04
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There isn't really any equivalence between misguided economic policies and racist bigotry.
minkie
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:17
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I remember when I was little in the seventies and the world was full of facist dictators and commmunism observing that left or right taken to extremes was like a circle, they end up in the same place. So yes they are two different things but either way they caise a country to suffer a debilitating stroke.

Makes our problems seem trivial really.
Here Comes Suzy Snowflake
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:22
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Our problems are the same problems, minkie.
Father CYPmas
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:23
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I'd take the short term economic chaos of Corbin over May's bigot brigade.
Father CYPmas
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:23
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Sorry, wrong election. Malenchon, not Le Pen...
Not Too Fussy
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:24
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I'd defo go Corbyn over May, but I'd be pulling a face like I'd smelled something disgusting.

Does the young en marche chap not stand a chance then?
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:25
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I think we have the same problems, at least to an extent. Corbyn is our own leftist insurgent, and, as for poujadiste nationalism, well..... It's becoming a common pattern across the western world.

I agree that the extremes meet, but Melenchon isn't Lenin. Out of the two, it's Le Pen who is the real threat to republican values.
minkie
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:31
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Agreed Reggie.
Although if I were French I would spoil my ballot paper. Not in my name and all that.
Wangpain for real ale
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:32
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I wouldn't vote for Le Pen, that's for damned sure
minkie
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:32
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NTF I dont see how those two would be the ines to go though. One but not both. They are both populist bit would be odd if both extremes came through.

Then again 5 candidates running close is a bit like the Grand National, anything can happen...
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:36
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I still think that Monsieur En Marche will get it, but the really weird thing is that this looks like being the first French election for years with no Gaullist and no Socialist in the final round.

In the same way, the fascist presidential candidate in Austria wasn't beaten by the mainstream left or the mainstream right. He was beaten by an eccentric Greenie.

Likewise, Wilders lost in the Netherlands, but he beat both the main historic parties of the left and right.

There are other examples too. The centre isn't holding.
pancake humper
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:37
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wtf does poujadiste mean? that can't be a real word.
Here Comes Suzy Snowflake
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:37
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NTF - I think it will be Macron and Le Pen in the second round. Fingers crossed.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:38
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Google est ton ami.
Here Comes Suzy Snowflake
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:39
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Pancake, the French have a habit of putting "ist/iste" after a politican's name to describe their supporters, e.g. "LePeniste" (fnar)
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:46
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Good idea, Laz. Staying in China will protect you from living in an authoritarian state ruled by pseudo-populists amidst a profoundly racist society.
Here Comes Suzy Snowflake
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:47
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Heh.
Siegfreid
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:52
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It's very simple. If there is a run off between Melanchon and Le Pen, you just vote Melanchon. The agony of choice is in the first round.
Here Comes Suzy Snowflake
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:53
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The trouble is that in that situation a lot of people will vote "blanche", increasing the risk of a Le Pen victory.
Judy_Carter
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:55
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Re-instate Franz, Duke of Bavara as French king - simples
minkie
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:55
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Hmm. If Melanchon were that unpopular he wouldnt have got through the first round.
Siegfreid
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:56
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Macron has a clear lead but I feel Fillon could sneak it. He has a political party behind him, when electing a president as distinct from telling a pollster your preference, that counts for a lot. Macon won't be able to put his programme into practice, at least Fillon has a chance.

BTW the business confidence index in France is predicting, for the first time in years, an intention to recruit (2m jobs over the coming year). Too late for Hollande.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 13:57
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heh @ the Jacobite pretender
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 18:48
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Macron, if he wins, will be the end of France. An utter charlatan, and a child.
sporting_zucchini
Posted - 21 April 2017 19:12
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Macron strongly reminds me of the detested . Superficially charismatic, yet quite dangerous, not to be trusted.

How the Socialists managed to whittle their contenders down to a Corbyn type is baffling yet Hamon is a gift to Melenchon. Weird.

I wonder what odds I can get on Le Pen winning by a surprise 51% vote in the first round. You never know.
Siegfreid
Posted - 21 April 2017 19:33
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Unlike TB, Macron has no party behind him. He can't do anything. It doesn't matter if he wins.

Le Pen will not get near power.
Wangpain for real ale
Posted - 21 April 2017 19:43
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Serge it has been scientifically proven that u are a dangerous rightwing extremist. You're probably the subject of investigations by MI5, Interpol and the finest minds of Norfolk CID
3-ducks
Posted - 21 April 2017 20:44
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I r8 both but Le Pen obviously
3-ducks
Posted - 21 April 2017 20:45
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The Duke of Bavaria's the true king of England, never mind France. A nephew of his was below me at school. Good egg.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 21 April 2017 20:48
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ducks, the Jacobite claim includes the Kingdom of France.
3-ducks
Posted - 21 April 2017 20:54
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I know. And Ireland, for that matter.
Wangpain for real ale
Posted - 21 April 2017 20:58
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I love the idea that there are little pricks like dux's m7 out there bemoaning their lost birthrights. Apparently the real true heir (i forget why but it's something to do with one of the early edwards) is a dude in the aussie backwaters who couldnt give less of a shyt
Siegfreid
Posted - 21 April 2017 22:16
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That's right, Wang. He is a Plantaganet. But he made up his own coat of arms, featuring a rabbit, with a motto, something like "we breed like rabbits".

A real noble doesn't do Debrett's.
3-ducks
Posted - 21 April 2017 22:27
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Er, wrong. The Dukes of Bavaria have famously never made any claim to the throne.

The Aussie dude has a very tenuous connection, stemming from the Plantagenets, I think. I have a feeling he was at Captain Swing's school.
old git roundabout
Posted - 24 April 2017 08:41
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Auusies use Kookaburras, not Dukes
CaptainSwing_Macron
Posted - 24 April 2017 08:44
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Hehehehe

We called all the dukes and princes "Eurotrash"

Take your Von und zu and stick it up yer ****