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Keef has political fatigue
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:34
He's going to make you an offer you can't refuse.
Keef has political fatigue
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:34
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Pls ignore pronoun fail.
Consigliere
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:38
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You're about to be sacked.
Jethro won it for Labour
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:38
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Is this the mental boss you don't like or another reasonable boss you get on with?
Consigliere
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:39
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...that will teach me to read to the end....

Keef has political fatigue
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:46
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Seriously though - what can go wrong?* I'm not sure there's any downside. Go to lunch and hear her out.


*She wants to discuss some kompromat on you which she will send to your new employer unless you change your mind and stay
Saillaw
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:48
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She'll either try and persuade you to stay or might just want to thank you for your hard work, etc.
Ash89
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:51
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Jethro, the mental one.

I'm more afraid that she'll have access to knives.
Jethro won it for Labour
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:53
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She'll have been instructed to eat humble pie and offer you anything you desire to say. Milk it and then tell her to f*ck off.
Jethro won it for Labour
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:53
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*stay* not say.
Clergs (!)
Posted - 16 March 2017 11:57
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she wants everyone to take note that you are having a meeting with her

she will make small talk "sorry to see you go" etc

then she will tell everyone she offered you £1m and a pony but you said no
Dogwarden 2016
Posted - 16 March 2017 12:00
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Wot Clergles said.

We're all dispensable. They may not want you to leave now, but they'll get over it and she'll still be there and will recreate history.
Likes to eat cheeseburgers
Posted - 16 March 2017 12:02
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I expect they will be presenting you with your long awaited HumbleBrag of the Year Award.

Congrats.
.....Meh
Posted - 16 March 2017 12:11
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My boss did this, albeit with coffee. He asked me to list 5 things they could do to persuade me to stay. Agreed to them. Told me to think about it over the weekend.

Still left.
Clergs (!)
Posted - 16 March 2017 12:12
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5 things is loads!

Shami's Chakra botti
Posted - 16 March 2017 12:17
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5 THINGS:
1 MILLION A YEAR
ANOTHER 1 MILLION A YEAR
ANOTHER 1 MILLION A YEAR
ANOTHER 1 MILLION A YEAR
ANOTHER 1 MILLION A YEAR


this would have been a very easy conversation
.....Meh
Posted - 16 March 2017 12:19
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Money wasn't actually a factor. I was leaving because the hours were mental and the stress was mental and the support was poor. The job I moved to paid a lot less but it's not mental at all. I think I have also become correspondingly less mental as a result
bananaman returns
Posted - 16 March 2017 13:10
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They are taking you to a karaoke bar, where you will be serenaded by them singing Stay Another Day by E17.
Disaster Zondi
Posted - 16 March 2017 13:31
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She wants you to say what it will take to stay. They will not be able to meet your demands and so can say after you leave that "we decided not to keep her."
Montagueh
Posted - 16 March 2017 13:36
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Just say "no, thank you - you are one of the main reasons I am leaving and I don't feel that having lunch "off site" would be of any value to me"...
Dogwarden 2016
Posted - 16 March 2017 13:42
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Ignore . Never burn bridges. Silent contempt with a good exit interview to the appropriate person is the way to go. You don't need an enemy just an ex-boss to whom you are, currently, one of many people she has not treated well.
3-ducks
Posted - 16 March 2017 13:44
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You're going to get a mahoosive pay rise. Take it.
Montagueh
Posted - 16 March 2017 13:52
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Doggers is talking bolox - the general mantra is "never burn bridges" but the fact is there is no bridge to burn with this woman - she has made your life a misery and knows that she is being blamed internally for your departure...she will NEVER put in a good word for you in the future...no bridge to burn means say what you like (politely)...and try to ensure you are overheard...
Ash89
Posted - 16 March 2017 14:11
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I agree, .

But I have no idea why she would want to have lunch with me tomorrow and off-site. She has said some really nasty stuff about me since I've handed in my notice. Why not just let me wrap stuff up, hand it off and f**k off?

I am going out of curiosity. I am always polite but firm. I still have about four weeks to serve. Perhaps she'll request that I leave forthwith and they'll pay out my notice. \ /

My exit interview will be honest, not malicious.
cІubman
Posted - 16 March 2017 14:12
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she fancies you and now you're leaving you're fair game?
Ash89
Posted - 16 March 2017 14:14
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I am a married woman, clubman! Plus - NOT EVEN WITH YOURS. She munts.
cІubman
Posted - 16 March 2017 14:19
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don't ask don't get
Queenie E
Posted - 16 March 2017 15:00
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Is she taking you somewhere nice? Make sure you order something really expensive

but yeah, basically what Clergs said at 11.57.
Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:18
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*drum roll*

It was to threaten me.
Heffalump
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:21
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with what?
stardust
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:21
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Ooh crikey. Threaten you?! Farrrk.
Trigger Warning
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:25
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Threaten you? Ha. Bitch. Report to HR?
Queenie E
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:25
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Seriously?
Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:29
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If I didn't stop people from going to her and her boss to get me to stay then she'd "end me and my career".

I told her that I can't control what third-parties do, and I haven't asked anybody to do anything but perhaps she should heed their concerns.

My bothered bag is so fuckin' empty.
Stixta
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:30
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Really? What a bitch!

And heh @ ending you.Has she got Cookie's Book of Threats?
Mr Sugden
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:37
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Heh. With the hovered tank on empty...

Send a firm wide email thanking them for their support, and say you will really miss them and hope to keep in touch, but please stop going to boss & boss-boss about you because boss has told you unless they do she will end you etc. Tell them the email is not for you because you are going, but is for them as they will still have to work with her and she obviously holds a grudge (and is bat- kittens mental and useless etc etc etc)

That should do nicely.
Mr Sugden
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:38
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Bovvered ffs
sad banta
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:40
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Your phone was recording all this, right ?
Scylla
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:43
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I would write an email to the boss boss... and report the incident. Specifically and factually. No emotions.

I would simply say that this kind of behaviour is the exact reason you submitted your resignation in the first place.

Then I would request that given her behaviour and that you anticipate further problems with her during your notice period that you are given gardening leave immediately as you can no longer deal with her behaviour.

I would cc her into it and wait for the explosion that will guarantee your sitting in the sunshine and tending roses asap.
Queenie E
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:46
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What Scylla said. Perfect.
Disaster Zondi
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:49
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Yes, she has just given you a perfect leaving present, you get to screw her over and get gardening leave.
Clergs (!)
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:50
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did she pay for lunch?
Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:53
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I think that's what she's expecting me to do, Scylla, which means I won't give a full handover. She'll then use that excuse as to why my matters go to sh!t.

She can't do anything to me. I'll give my handover, ensure everything is documented and given to a Plan B person. I'll add this episode to my exit survey and ensure it's also delivered to the CEO.
hoolie is voting lib dem
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:53
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What Scylla said

If they refuse you get your gp to sign you off sick with stress.
Scylla
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:55
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if you have a HR section/department cc them in as well...
Scylla
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:57
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Then state you are prepared to give them one week to do your hand over and that's it.
Clergs (!)
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:57
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what's a full handover?
Scylla
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:58
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Ash, she is going to do that regardless of what you do.

This way she can't... or if she tries she won't have a leg to stand on because your swift departure was a result of her behaviour.
GHF
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:59
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What Scylla said. I would absolutely report this incident.

She evidently feels threatened and/or insecure over the support you have received over and above her, but if she had any sort of sense, given you are leaving anyway she shouldn't be behaving as she is...how fvcking ridiculous.

B'A'M
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:00
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anything over a D Cup I think Clergs
Clergs (!)
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:01
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:-|
hoolie is voting lib dem
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:01
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Who cares what she says about the condition of your matters? She's insane and you're leaving.

You need to get out of this mind set of trying to show that your right. You know you're right, who cares what she thinks. Just get out.
Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:03
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Oh, absolutely, Scylla. She is going to blame me from the moment I walk out the door, but if I double up then at least there will be others who know that's a crock of poop.

Her behaviour has been recognized by others. I am glad people are going to her because they walk out thinking she's nuts. I had two people approach me yesterday after interacting with her and recommending that I make formal complaints to HR.
Queenie E
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:03
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Good luck with whatever you decide. Hope that your next boss is less of a khunt...
Scylla
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:12
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So why aren't you fvcking doing it?

My biggest problem with all this, as someone who is the boss and has had to deal with these issues from the top down, is I can't actually take action or do anything to discipline the person involved until the affected staff member makes a formal complaint.

Every single time an issue like this has been brought to my attention the person has already resigned, just wants to leave and only mentions stuff in the exit interview.

THIS MEANS I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

It is dismissed as the ravings of someone who couldn't hack it.. or has an axe to grind.. or the excuse is if the behaviour was really serious the person would have raised it beforehand.

Management can't deal with these issues if staff won't report them.




Clergs (!)
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:13
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what scylla said

you seem to be assuming that you will be the one to leave early if you report it
Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:19
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Yes, Scylla, because you're a good manager and not a psycho. In my organisation, it would be a fruitless exercise.
Loopy-Lou
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:22
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I would say something and make it formal. Even if you don't care about your departure, she'll do it to someone else who may not be as strong as you. Nip it in the bud, get it formally recognised before it happens again.
Scylla
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:23
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boss-boss seems ok I thought?

But if that is genuinely the attitude you have then even mentioning it in the exit interview or to the CEO seems like a waste of time.

You're not even giving them a chance to deal with it this way.

If you feel like escalating to the CEO at the end is worth a try.. then it's worth doing now.
Montagueh
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:26
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Ash - how many in your organisation that have or might go to her or her boss to persuade them to keep you...?
Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:29
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The boss' boss isn't much better.

Scylla, I'll message you on Facebook.
Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:33
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, I think it's three external parties and about six internal parties that I know of.
Montagueh
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:35
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Ash - write an email to all those who have been to see your boss or her boss and any that conceivably might, telling them that your boss has told you that if you didn't stop people from going to her and her boss to get you to stay then she'd "end you and your career" and asking them not to any more, copying in your boss and her boss...
Montagueh
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:36
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Oh, and copy in the head of HR too...
3-ducks
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:43
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Hehehehehehehe!!


Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:29
If I didn't stop people from going to her and her boss to get me to stay then she'd "end me and my career".

Stixta
Posted - 17 March 2017 12:30
Has she got Cookie's Book of Threats?
3-ducks
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:45
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Yeah wot said, that would be lolsome!
Montagueh
Posted - 17 March 2017 13:48
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Please do it, Ash...you'll be able to dine out on it for the rest of your life...
Moo is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 March 2017 14:00
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Point of Order

1. End you on Rof was IG wasn't it?

2. Cookie was - cut you down ruthlessly..

Ash - let the bi@tch have it as suggests..

Employers can be such morons. Mine threatened to take out a high court injunction (letter before action at least) to prevent me moving jobs which made for an interesting few months!

Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 14:05
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LOL@Moo

How do you move on from that? Did you read it and literally laugh out loud?
Moo is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 17 March 2017 14:09
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I wrote several rude emails and it eventually went away - it did cause considerable stress even though I suspected they wouldn't follow through..

I haven't moved on mentally, I don't like conflict and I've struggled to put it behind me as I had initially thought (they had given the impression) that I had left on good terms.

Anyway - this is about you, not me..

Smart play is to leave quietly

She shouldn't be allowed to get away with it though and deserves an absolute shooing. I'd expect to be sacked if I did that to someone I managed.

Ash89
Posted - 17 March 2017 14:16
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Yeah, but you wouldn't do that to someone you manage because you're not a psycho.

P.S. your former firm are a sack of khunts