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Guardian on racism
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A hero of our time
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:42
So apparently expressing an opinion about muslim dress is in any remote, tenuous way racist.


It’s the “small-r racism” – the subtle stuff that seems innocent enough but on closer inspection reeks of white superiority – of which many people, even those disgusted by the thought of racism, are guilty. Perhaps it’s the passing comment you make on your new Bangladeshi neighbours’ children. “Poor girls,” you say to yourself, when you see them walk to school in their headscarves. And you mean it – you do feel a bit sad for them that they should be denied the chance to be like you (which is obviously the best way).

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/am-i-a-racist-you-asked-go ogle
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Posted - 19 April 2017 15:44
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Do these people not have, like, real stuff to worry about?
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:45
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are the Banglers getting a bit uppity?
A hero of our time
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:47
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Liberals have tied themselves into such a knot on Islam (given the ideology is completely at odds with the advertised ethos of liberalism) that the only way to try to rationalise their position is to conclude any criticism of islam (a belief) must be racism.

And liberals wonder why they have been given such a hard and repeated kicking by the electorate.
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:48
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It's the ambient racism that gets a pass from most people. A milder form of cheeseburgers and his lovely meal at the chinky.

And CommentIsFree isn't a Guardian editorial, nor is it written by staffers.
I'm voting Lib Dem y'know
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:51
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If Tecco didn't have someone else to hate he'd have to look in the mirror, and he can't bear to do that nowadays.

Still, perhaps if we all pretend we haven't noticed it's him.........
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:51
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when did a bit of racism become the world's worst crime?

fuxake

as if the uk isnt the best place on earth
243 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:52
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The author of that piece, Coco Khan, is a journalist who is content coordinator for the Guardian Small Business Network, so maybe she is a staffer.
Parsnip
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:52
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are the guardian trying to say that the oppression of women in many countries whereby the culture / law requires them to cover their hair / faces is in any context not worse than freedom to dress the way you want to / just different.

i see loads of actual racism in the boardroom / on the train. its rife (calling it out isnt easy) - a bloke on the train the other day when it was busy said to his mate "well i doubt that chinese looking fellow has got a first class ticket", a partner in a meeting a couple of weeks ago when talking about an indian associate " the other one is like that too"
243 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:53
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According to her literary agent: "Coco Khan was born, and lives, in London where she currently works as a journalist for The Guardian."
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Posted - 19 April 2017 15:53
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bantz
A hero of our time
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:54
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army man coming bad for a repeated pwning. great stuff.
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:54
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salvation army
A hero of our time
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:55
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Lol. Guardian pumping out allegedly "independent" pieces written by their own staff.

Sums up the integrity of the newspaper.
I'm voting Lib Dem y'know
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:56
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Why do you lot care if it's so trivial?

Are you upset your contempt for people of other races might be disapproved of?
I'm voting Lib Dem y'know
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:57
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Heh.

This thread is like a circle jerk.

Here ya go lads. https://youtu.be/WfimcqjWHIQ It never gets old.
A hero of our time
Posted - 19 April 2017 15:58
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It's very edifying to see the standards of integrity and honesty to which people who hold opposing views adhere.

The answer: a complete absence of integrity.
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:00
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who did this army tede use to be?
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:01
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Sorry, it seems staffers and freelancers contribute. I had thought it was just freelancers.
I'm voting Lib Dem y'know
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:04
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Tecco - man of integrity? Yesterday you were claiming that you aren't Tecco. Mind you, yesterday you were claiming men commit suicide because some women don't like to wear high heels at work.

So I suppose after I've wiped my arse on your face I might as well flush you away and forget about you.
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Posted - 19 April 2017 16:05
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One of the leftie Irish ones. Cyprian, Upee, Harlequin, Reggie Perrin...
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:07
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geo block ireland
A hero of our time
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:09
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No idea who tecco is.

But you're some standard knee jerk outragemonger who (in the absence of a genuine ability to think for himself) has downloaded the liberal app.
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:10
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ftr ireland is the most racist country imaginable
Wellington
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:15
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"that suicide belt looks a little flamboyant for my liking"

RACIST
I'm voting Lib Dem y'know
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:20
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Now I get why the you lot don't like this article. It's just a bit too close to home.

you do feel a bit sad for them that they should be denied the chance to be like you (which is obviously the best way).

Why wouldn’t they want to hang out with you (you being the superior being and all)?

It’s the privilege to say that “XYZ is not about racism” – not because you don’t know racism is heavily linked to the issue, but because it doesn’t affect you, and is a distraction from what you want to say and your narrative on the matter. And that is undoubtedly going to be more compelling and insightful than the real-life, urgent experience others are having, right?


Truth hurts, right.

Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:21
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you're calling people you've never met racists

you're a fvcking idiot
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:23
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Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:10

ftr ireland is the most racist country imaginable


...meanwhile, a little later on...

Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:21

you're calling people you've never met racists

you're a fvcking idiot
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:24
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ah but ive been to ireland
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:27
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"Perhaps it’s the passing comment you make on your new Bangladeshi neighbours’ children. “Poor girls,” you say to yourself, when you see them walk to school in their headscarves. And you mean it – you do feel a bit sad for them that they should be denied the chance to be like you (which is obviously the best way)."

Presumably everyone of earth thinks their values are the best, otherwise they would change them for other values. So everyone's a racist? Huzzah!

And huzzah for imputing attitudes and thoughts to people you've made up. I'm convinced. But there again, I am officially ESN.
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:31
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and you've met them all, and seen the racism everywhere.

Or maybe they just didn't like you?
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:35
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well i listened to phone ins

i saw a tv ad changed from the uk version to not have a black girl at a till

and i met a plenty of irish people

but you must be right, its a beacon of enlightenment
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:37
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phone-in radio shows are, of course, the test of how an entire nation is. I only need to sit in the back of a blackcab to understand the British.


I think it's you.
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:38
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dee nial m6
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:39
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that's just what I was thinking. Although perhaps you're not; perhaps you just know a bit more about Ireland than I do.
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 16:53
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or i do about the uk

snap bogtrotter
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 17:04
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although perhaps your >10 year holiday to Ireland gave you some insight. And bogtrotter is a racial slur.
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 17:05
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I'm aware of that, Paddy

Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 19 April 2017 17:06
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it's okay tho, I'm immune what with the constant racism I've both practised and experienced since birth.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 19 April 2017 17:28
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It is mildly amusing watching RoF's resident racists moan about being called out as racists. Advice: if you don't like being described as racist, stop being racist. Hopidy helpidy
Osama
Posted - 19 April 2017 17:39
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Born again tede
Third Half
Posted - 19 April 2017 20:05
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I tell you what is racist it some dozens or hundreds of ostensible Muslims roundiing up and killing loads of other Muslims ostensibly because of a difference about the righbtful inheritance of the leader of the faith about 13 centuries ago, But of course, I am told the perpetrators are 'not true Muslims.' But there seem to be a lot of it about.

And before one thinks otherwise I am well aware of the Holocaust and the Reformation and the Inquisition and the Thirty Years War and more.
Jon Snow
Posted - 19 April 2017 20:07
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Stop being racist Serg! After all, according to Cheeze, using English words ending in y is racist to "Asian forrins".
Likes to eat cheeseburgers
Posted - 19 April 2017 23:53
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Did the Guardian take a view on an acceptable description of Chinese food??
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 08:31
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I am not sure there is anything that better highlights the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the left than the attempt to conflate religious beliefs and race.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 08:55
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Yes, good point Lannister. Especially given that we have already firmly established that your beliefs are barely distinguishable from an Islamic extremist's.
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:07
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You're guilty of a tautology there I'm afraid.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:09
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Something tells me you don't know what a tautology is
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:16
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It is a shame you can't spot the redundant word. I expected better from you.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:23
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Heh @ Lannister taking seven minutes to Google "tautology"

If it helps, we'd already firmly established you're a complete fvcking idiot too
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:33
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You've actually counted down the minutes till I responded. That is tragic.

You are blinkered, predictable, lacking in any original thought and yet to graduate from the 6th form debating class.

Even your fellow liberals here are tired of your posts.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:37
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No I just subtracted the time you post showed up from the time my post showed up.

Come on, come on, I'm waiting for you to point out the tautology (and the redundant word now, as you clearly don't understand what a tautology is).
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:43
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Sure you did. It wouldn't fit your tragic persona to hang in front of a computer screen endlessly waiting for a semblence of human contact, where you could engage in pseudo-intellectual babble that no one in the real world would give you time for.

The tautology: Islamic extremist.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:47
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So you don't know what abtautology is, then.

Allow me to assist: a tautology is where two words or phrases meaning the same thing are repeated in a sentence.

"Islamic" is an adjective and therefore cannot mean the same thing as "extremist", a noun.
Good luck with your year 4 exams!
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:51
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You seem to think islamic can be anything other than extreme. Blinkered.

Anyway, this post is only a few minutes after yours, so your lonely existence is now punctuated.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:55
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I didn't say that. I said "Islamic" is an adjective and therefore cannot mean the same thing as a noun

So you don't know what a tautology is.
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:00
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Do you distinguish islam and islamic extremist?
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:05
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Do you know what a tautology is yet?
A hero of our time
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:07
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You never learned answering a question with a question is rude.

An imbecile, boorish, and also lacking in any manners. Keep going.
Likes to eat cheeseburgers
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:12
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Serge

What have adjectives and nouns got to do with it?

Frozen water is a tautology


Likes to eat cheeseburgers
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:13
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*Frozen ice (obv)
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:14
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Heh

Frozen ice isn't actually a tautology for that very reason, it's just the word "frozen" is redundant
Likes to eat cheeseburgers
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:15
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Are you arguing grammatical tautology or logical tautology?
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:24
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Eh? Certainly not logical.

I'm being a dictionary definition arsehole, because Lannister made a mistake. I'm well aware that people generally describe "fatal murder" etc as a tautology, even though strictly that's not tautology. The strict test is can you remove either word/phrase and leave the same meaning:

they arrived one after the other in succession
they arrived one after the other
they arrived in succession
Likes to eat cheeseburgers
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:26
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I suppose it is a tautology/pleonasm distinction.

Frozen ice is (like burning fire) a pleonasm - but is pleonasm a subphylum of tautology?
I'm voting Lib Dem y'know
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:33
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