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3-ducks
Posted - 20 April 2017 09:59
It should only be for 7+ PQE I reckon. Meaningless otherwise.
Colonel Pantyfloofle
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:00
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I worked out three quarters of my former employer had senior in their job title:

senior analyst
senior manager
senior vice president
senior claims handler

utterly meaningless
Colonel Pantyfloofle
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:01
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(Japanese company where everybody was obsessed with job titles and didn't actually do any work)
camenbert
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:02
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unless to differentiate with a junior lawyer in the room, then meaningless

How about Senor lawyers? (If Spanish...)

When Dentons merged/rebranded etc as Snr Dentons, I always parsed that as "Senor Dentons" (in a daft Spanish accent)
zazzi
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:05
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I'm 3 years PQE and just got promoted to "SENIOR COUNSEL"
🐝 buzz
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:07
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Hard to pull off the senior look when you turn up to meetings wearing shorts with grazes on your knees.
3-ducks
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:12
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I thought Scottish sols put either "WS" or "SSC" after their name, depending on their membership.
Daydort
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:14
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senior is something that is apparent from demeanour not from titles
Coracle Lolling
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:24
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I thought it was usually other people calling you old?
hurdlerate
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:25
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Scottish law firms , protocols, and lawyers very weird and parochial. But there again it is a tiny country with not even a bite sized legal profession.
camenbert
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:31
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my favourite is "BA(hons)"

is it even possible to get a pass degree these days...
🐝 buzz
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:34
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It may even be no longer possible to get a 2:2.
Colonel Pantyfloofle
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:40
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My other faves are:

"Lead", as in Toilet Paper Management Lead
"Global Head Of"
"Director"


Those without Senior in their job title at my former shop usually had some variant of these.
Shami's Chakra botti
Posted - 20 April 2017 10:50
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"It should only be for 7+ PQE I reckon. Meaningless otherwise"

Just meaningless full stop.

I never understand solicitors' obsession with PQE. You could sit on your ass (as many do) for a decade and learn nothing, be very expensive and totally useless. Or you could be a smart and busy recently qualified lawyer who thinks commercially and has a genuine interest in the client's business and the law you practice, making everything you do valuable and each experience a learning point for improvement up the chain.

A hungry able junior lawyer can know and learn more, faster, than some old journeyman donkey. Give me value and experience not pqe. And experience does not necessarily mean the passing of time.

There may be a correllation between pqe and value but it is not guaranteed by any means. In every firm, in house role and chambers I've found that people develop differently. Some just top out at your 7pqe, dux, or before and are parked. Others are roaring at 3-4 years.

Lydia
Posted - 20 April 2017 11:21
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I think when you start and are newly qualified no one on here would disagree that you don't yet know much and cannot practise alone or should not do so. By the time you have been doing the job for 3 years you have a much better idea of what you are doing. When you are a few years more than that you have the experience which often makes you pretty good. One reason T May is a good leader is she has a lot of life experience and ditto senior people. I have learned a fair bit over 30 years in law. I learn something every day.

I agree some people are useless right through of course but on the whole some experience helps. Some people want silly titles because it makes them feel good but that's fine with me if they want them. Perhaps only what you earn really matters as the true marker of your success.
🐝 buzz
Posted - 20 April 2017 11:26
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Not everyone is a greedy materialistic empathy free zone like you Lydia.
Shami's Chakra botti
Posted - 20 April 2017 11:35
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Perhaps only what you earn really matters as the true marker of your success.


Of all the things you've ever said that have amazed me this is the biggest single crock of crap I have ever seen uttered from your keyboard. This could not be more wrong if it turned up to a Holocaust Memorial service wearing jackboots and a toothbrush moustache brandishing a copy of Mein Kampf and introducing itself as Hadolf Itler.