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243 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 20 April 2017 12:30
The BBC is ‘evil’ and will take every opportunity it can to to prevent Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister, the Labour leader’s brother has said.

In an astonishing outburst, Piers Corbyn accused the corporation of a series of cover-ups to protect the Establishment - that included making attacks on his brother - but insisted Labour could still win a "reasonable'’ majority.

Mr Corbyn, 70, who is two years older than his brother, also claimed the pollsters were getting it wrong by failing to detect "shy Corbynistas".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/19/jeremy-corbyns-brother-brands-bbc-evil-c riticising-labour-leader/

MEGALOLZ.
Abbeywell/NSA
Posted - 20 April 2017 12:42
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Corbyn is 68!
He looks so much older
Keef is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 12:42
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Heh @ Piers
Bert Weedon
Posted - 20 April 2017 12:43
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End of the Piers show
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 12:44
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Yes, it's funny how political extremists of both side attack the BBC, isn't it?

It's almost as if it's a mainstream broadcasting organisation!
Twinkle twinkle little wang
Posted - 20 April 2017 12:45
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How can you have a labour leader with a brother called piers. FFS
🐤🐤🐤 is voting Conservative
Posted - 20 April 2017 12:48
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You know Auntie's doing a good job when the Tory loons and the Socialist loons both accuse it of bias.
Excession
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:38
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The Today interview this morning with Emily Thornberry was a total disaster.

They simply are going to implode aren't they?

If they sacked off Corbyn and his fellow SWP loons immediately and got say Dan Jarvis in they could do to May what Bob Hawke did to Malcolm Fraser in 1983 in Oz.

But they won't - and so they will collapse...
BST
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:03
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The theory from most of mainstream Labour MP's (many of whom won't be MP's after 8th June...) and the sensible centre of the party is that Corbyn and the hard left have to (in a more extreme version of 1983) be allowed to fight on there terms.

They will then be badly beaten of course but by doing so it will make it easier to elect a sensible leader (Cooper, Kinnock, Umunna, Balls, whoever) after the election.

However there are different types of defeat in my view and I don't agree with this thinking either. Labour I agree may well implode so badly between now and 8th June they will be utterly destroyed and the reputational damage to the party may be such it can't come back.

Also a lot of the sensible MP's are going to stand down. A lot more will be defeated and even if they lose with 150 MP's left or so whilst Corbyn may go quietly I doubt the hard left will.

What might hopefully come out of all this, if the Lib Dems as I expect do well and Labour not only get hammered but end up being split to oblivion in the next few weeks, is a new centre ground Social Democratic type party, opposing hard brexit, formed of the mainstream Blairite/Brownite Labour party, Lib Dems and wet Tories like Clarke/Soubry/Morgan/Soames etc. who really have no place now in the current Tory party.

Labour itself may well be finished now, first for electing Corbyn and then for not getting rid of him, or for the sensible majority breaking away before the election. The SWP/Corbyn/Mc Donnell/Abbott type loons are likely to break the party, if it wasn't for the fact most of them (bar Mc Donnell) are so thick you'd almost wonder if they are Tory entryists they are doing such a good job of that.

Thomas Pink is voting CISTA
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:04
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Lolz @ "Shy Corbynistas".

It's always struck me how shy and retiring they all are.
Thomas Pink is voting CISTA
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:06
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Also I don't agree Corbyn will go quietly.

Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:12
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Excession
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:38


The Today interview this morning with Emily Thornberry was a total disaster.

Yesterday she noted, quite rightly, that the EU meant freedom of movement for white people, but not for black people. Unfortunately, given she said it, Remainers will probably stay in denial about the inherently racist nature of the EUI wonder (it's odd how they never mention offering Turkey billions to key out brown fellow. No. Scrub that, it's not odd at all).
Osama
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:13
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watchig corbyn's speech this morning, any time a journo asked a faintly negative question the audience jeered and booed like a mpb. They're all fvcking retarded
Osama
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:14
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i can't spell
Saillaw
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:59
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I laughed yesterday when I read that Jezza is employing two of his sons on his campaign. Isn't he meant to be the anti-establishment candidate who wouldn't lower himself to such nepotism?
243 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:03
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He's just acting like all good lefties and keeping it in the family, like those Cubans and North Koreans.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:21
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Sigh of the Oppressed
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Excession
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:38


The Today interview this morning with Emily Thornberry was a total disaster.

Yesterday she noted, quite rightly, that the EU meant freedom of movement for white people, but not for black people. Unfortunately, given she said it, Remainers will probably stay in denial about the inherently racist nature of the EUI wonder (it's odd how they never mention offering Turkey billions to key out brown fellow. No. Scrub that, it's not odd at all).


You do realise there are millions of non-white EU citizens you creepy, disingenuous little racist?
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:21
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Osama: no, be fair, you can't get much more anti-establishment than having been an MP for 34 years and being a Privy Counsellor.
🐤🐤🐤 is voting Conservative
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:22
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Loving SoTo's work.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:24
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Wot Scot said. Hal, your post is based on the unstated premise that European countries are whites-only.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:25
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Sail/Sleeps: stop that right now. It's not as if his son, Seb Corbyn, is planning to stand for Parliament in the rock-solid Labour fiefdom of Liverpool Walton or anything, now is it....
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:31
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Person who operates an account in the name of Reggie, I think you need to address your comment to Ms Thornberry and to those in the EU who offered Turkey E3.5bn to keep out dirty brown foreigns.

Or perhaps you're right. Perhaps it was not because the EU hates brown foreigns but because it hates desperate refugees. That makes it all a whole lot better and I now see the error of my, and Ms Thornberry's ways.

Or maybe, as its tariff policy shows, it hates all foreigns, be they brown, refugees, brown refugees or foreigns of any description. Keep taking the denial pills old bean.
243 Sleeps To Christmas
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:32
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What will Uncle Piers make of Sebastian's move? Jeremy will be proud. His brothers Benjamin and Thomas will doubtless lend a fraternal hand.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:33
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Hal, your decision to gloss EU citizens as "white people" was your own and not Thornberry's. It's quite revealing about your mental assumptions.
Osama
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:34
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is there a special club for kinnocks, straws, blairs, benns, corbyns?
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:53
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Mr Perrin "white people" and "black people" were Thornberry''s exact words, m'okay?

As you'd know, if you had seen the interview. As you obviously didn't, it's quite odd that you are pontificating about it. Odd, rather than, say "uncharacteristic".
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:57
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Ok, I'm going to have to retract that. But it's not the first time that you've tried to run this racially based argument (which is why I assumed it was your own gloss), and you can't blame Thornberry for that.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:04
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No Reggie, I am quite happy not to blame Thornberry because you pretend to know things you don't. You take the entire the credit for that.

I have not made any "racially based argument" unless, by that, you mean that the argument that the EU is demonstrably racist. If you do, please distinguish between fact and argument.

Any other invented tripe you want to spout (PS and will it include an apology, unlike your most recent)?
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:09
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I have not made any "racially based argument" unless, by that, you mean that the argument that the EU is demonstrably racist.

The point is that this argument - which you have indeed put forward in the past without any help from la Nugee - only makes sense if you approach it with the assumption that EU citizens are a monoracial white bloc (and, conversely, all potential immigrants are an undifferentiated mass of coloureds). I object to that style of thinking; and anyway, it's not true.

I'm happy to apologise for assuming that you were saying something that you've openly said on other occasions in the past.
Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:22
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Reggie old fruit, are you on a "let's be dishonest with as many non-sequiturs day as possible while refusing to apologise" jamboree?

Or are you going to point to anywhere where I have described the EU as a "monoracial white bloc" or the equivalent?

Meanwhile, the fact that you can neither apologise nor even begin to address the fact that tariffs discriminate against every single nation on earth except the 28, and that the EU offered Turkey E3.5bn to keep out foreigners, or the fact that the EU's tariffs hurt Africa disproportionately might lead some people to speculate about your "mental assumptions". Happily, I am much too charitable to do so.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:26
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SoTo, no-one believes you're anything other than a snivelling racist. Seriously, give over. At least Lannister admits to being a racist.
ReggiePerrin is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:35
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Or are you going to point to anywhere where I have described the EU as a "monoracial white bloc" or the equivalent?

It's the assumption that underlies your arguments, viz....

Meanwhile, the fact that you can neither apologise nor even begin to address the fact that tariffs discriminate against every single nation on earth except the 28,

This is essentially an argument against tariffs. It's only becomes an issue of race discrimination if you mentally view the EU as an all-white ethnostate and the rest of the world as populated by coloureds. That was my point.

and that the EU offered Turkey E3.5bn to keep out foreigners,

Emergency measures to deal with the Syrian refugee crisis. What would you have done instead? Opened the borders wide? That would have been a absolute gift for Ukip/Le Pen/AfD et al. We're in the middle of a cresting wave of ethno-nationalism, and you're advocating an open-door immigration policy. Brilliant.

or the fact that the EU's tariffs hurt Africa disproportionately

Again, this is an argument against tariffs - which were hardly invented by the European Union - and again, there is an unstated assumption that the EU and Africa are monoracial blocs.
Scot Chegg
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:38
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Not all that "unstated", Reg:

Sigh of the Oppressed
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:12
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Yesterday she noted, quite rightly, that the EU meant freedom of movement for white people, but not for black people.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 03:26
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Bit of an odd debate really. The overwhelming majority of the EU population is white. The overwhelming majority of the African population is black.

I don't think the EU's insistence on free movement of people within the bloc while accepting controls on people from outside the bloc is a racially-motivated policy, it's more an idiocy-motivated policy that stems from a 1940s/1950s view of the world in which the world exists in "blocs". The EU is, in many respects, a sort of corporatist version of the Soviet Union. For buccaneering free-trader states such as Britain it makes very little sense.
cardinalwhorly
Posted - 21 April 2017 03:35
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As for Turkey, one might say that the EU's policy there has been a total failure, and one that might well be described as racist. Had Turkey been admitted to the EU in the early 1990s we might have had a very much better relationship today. That was, of course, UK policy for a long time, which was repeatedly rebuffed by the Continentals for petty reasons. Indeed, in classic EU fashion, it was only when Turkey started its slow descent into a basket case led by clowns who weaponise religion for political purposes that the EU started to think that admitting Turkey might be a great idea. Likewise, the EU's policy toward Russia has been a total failure, and it bears a considerably share of responsibility for what occurred in Ukraine. Rather than speaking softly and carrying a big stick, the EU's approach appears to be to speak in shrill tones, carry no stick at all, and to have no idea what its doing. That is a recipe for a kicking.