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Marginal seats
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minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:53
I live in such a constituency, Con/Lab. lib dems are nowhere
2010 turned red from blue
2015 stayed red with a few hundred maj

Sitting Lab MP staunch Remainer
Con candidate not yet announced but likely to be a Leaver (i say that cos I know who it is likely to be, not becuase Con will deliberately pick a Leaver - or maybe they will)
Anyway

How would you vote in order to achieve a Con soft Brexit?
Used Psychology
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:56
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In that scenario, Labour.

You will not get a soft Brexit under a strong conservative vote. it would appear that UKIPers are changing preference to the Tories in some polling.


Clergs is voting lib dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:56
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LibDem
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:57
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Probably Labour and hope that enough people in the electorate will overlook Corbyn to keep the encumbant there.
Lib-Dem-Cyp-ree-en
Posted - 20 April 2017 13:58
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labour
minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:02
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It was so much easier last time with that bloody letter Lab left in the Treasury office and our biggest fear was UKIP

Always seems to be a case of be careful what you wish for.
Hank is voting LibDem
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:03
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Labour, the Tories will win the election but it is important they do not consider themselves having an overwhelming mandate for a "red white and blue" hard brexit - I certainly do not buy a soft brexit being more likely with a larger tory majority. That is horseshyte.
Clergs is voting lib dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:11
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guys this is a new era

libdem could prevail
minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:12
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Not in my constituency clergs
Wellington
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:15
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vote for the remainer
minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:20
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The thing is wellerz i do not want to tick any box which has Corbyn as its leader. There are issues other than Brexit which are going to have to last us until 2022. Brexit is going to seem like a picnic compared to the problems we have by then if he wins and its no good saying oo he wont win you never know what the great British public are going to do for a laff
Clergs is voting lib dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:25
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the old certainties are out the window

former solid Tory seats could change

(not in the moron counties but yours might be a good un)
Ibsen
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:28
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does the sitting labour MP support Corbyn? (most don't).

If not then I think you can vote Red.
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:31
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Theresa May is a Remainer. If she has a decent majority then; (i) she will find it easier to stand up to the EU and get a 'good' deal - as opposed to a choice between a 'bad' deal or no deal (i.e. a hard Brexit) and (ii) she will find it easier to tell the various loonies in her own party to go and do one.

Of course, if you really want to see Brexit being negotiated by a committee of Farron, Sturgeon and Corbyn....... (Actually the French would probably pay to watch that).
Brad's big donger
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:33
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The bigger the majority the tories ave the softer the brexit May will go for.
Queen E is voting LibDem
Posted - 20 April 2017 14:36
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"The bigger the majority the tories ave the softer the brexit May will go for."

Um, May seems to be under the illusion that the country is 'uniting behind Brexit'

anyone who thinks she will soften her current stance is delusional
Budgie Quay
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:19
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Lib Dem

They are the only sensible progressive liberal party. They have been penalised for too long by our idiotic and patently unfair voting system.

If you share their views or are opposed to Brexit just vote for them. If they started polling over 20-25% that would be very powerful even if they don't get the seats to match. Eventually they could overtake Labour and we would finally have a realistic alternative to the Tories.
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:29
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Minkie, Corbyn has as much chance of winning as Farage. It is not going to happen.

On the other hand, us being fvcked up the arse with TM's version of Brexit is highly highly highly likely. TM has done nothing to indicate she is anything other than a proper Brexiteer.
Twinkle twinkle little wang
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:31
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It's really annoying being in a marginal. Yeah yeah, your vote counts but it means you get called up by blimming ipsos mori and have politicos doorstepping you all the time
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:32
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Other than voting Remain.
minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:51
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I agree with Sergio really, May is a Remainer and I said yesterday she is out of her comfort zone on how things have been going re Brexit.

Find it hard to vote for the knobby Con Leaver candidate however. Perhaps they won't select him after all, this area was about 75% pro Remain iirc.
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 15:53
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Why do you think she's a Remainer? She might have stuck on that side of the fence pre-ref, but there's never been any indication that was anything other than aligning herself with where she thought the power would be, and nothing she has done since provides any evidence that she doesn't mean what she says.
Queen E is voting LibDem
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:01
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minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:02
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I suppose because she never seemed to identify with any of the big Leaver campaigners, not her sort.
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:11
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True, but that could as easily be because the most important thing to her (apart from getting rid of nasty heathen forrins) is power.
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:13
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Queen E, any newspaper article that includes a paragraph like this isn't worth taking seriously:

"Much has changed since 2015 of course. We’ve had the EU Referendum, a shiny new Prime Minister, and 18 months of Jeremy Corbyn scowling on the telly, so are things looking up for the progressive coalition idea?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA no not really. "
minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:26
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She did play it well, perfect politics on her part, Jon, leading to power.
But at the time she couldnt have predicted the Boris/Gove affair, Bojo was widely expected to succeed CMD, remember.
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:28
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True, but I think she's an opportunist rather than an evil genuis mastermind.
Wellington
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:28
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this election is only about brexit you should vote for / against the tories based purely on whether you are leave / remain.

nothing else matters.
minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:37
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I would have agreed Wellers had Andrea Ledsom succeeded last summer.
At the time May looked like our best chance of an orderly Brexit. I fail to see how a lot of Lib Dem votes with a few more seats will change that.
minkie
Posted - 20 April 2017 16:40
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Actually ive just had another look at the 2015 poll in this constituency and see UKIP came third with enough votes to swing it back to Con
sporting_zucchini
Posted - 20 April 2017 17:10
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How on earth can you vote for soft Brexit?

Does not compute. At all.
Weally Been
Posted - 20 April 2017 17:40
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Yes I don't think it's possible to vote for a soft Brexit

It's Brexit or no Brexit

Unless of course by soft Brexit you actually mean no Brexit and I do think that is what people mean by soft Brexit most of the time actually
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 17:56
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I realise things are binary in Alt-Right land, but there are lots of models of our relationship with the EU - cutting all our ties being only one of them.
Weally Been
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:15
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I'm trying to soften this but you know what fvck it you didn't - it's that alt right thing that's got me as I hate being labelled thanks

It's a negotiation dimwit

That means you go in with a goal (see what the Tories set out in their manifesto as let's face it they're the only party going to form government) - that's your soft Brexit

Reality is that the other side will reject it all and focus on the pathetic divorce bill

Then we see how much the other side are prepared to review and discuss let alone any horse trade

There's obviously a few more steps I'm glossing over and then...

Ultimately you may end up with little or nothing a la David Cameron

Brexit (clean Brexit is a better term then hard Brexit) - hopefully better than oh f u c k it then we'll just go our own way but you have to be ready for this as the other side are going to be obstinant and obstreperous
Jethro is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 21:55
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If you are in a remain constituency you should vote Lib Dem even if they were nowhere in the last election. Because if every Remainer votes Lib Dem, which is more likely that every Leave voter voting Tory, they will pick up seats from the Tories. I'm with Clergs. This election is going to be transformational.
Jon Snow
Posted - 20 April 2017 21:56
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Weally Been
Posted - 20 April 2017 18:15
I'm trying to soften this but you know what fvck it you didn't - it's that alt right thing that's got me as I hate being labelled thanks


Sorry to hear that. It must be very difficult to accept being called alt right when you behave like someone who is alt right. Tough times.
Weally Been
Posted - 20 April 2017 22:19
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Must be very difficult for you to accept being a c u n t when you behave like a c u n t
hoolie is voting lib dem
Posted - 20 April 2017 23:02
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What jethro said. Vote lib dem

I don't accept this "can't win here". Yes they can. Any party can win any seat. Look what happened to portillo in 1997.

Sergio Bogface
Posted - 21 April 2017 08:41
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OP - suggest that you talk to some people IRL, there is a bit of an echo in here.

If you enjoy reading the papers at the w/e, then I would suggest buying the Guardian / Observer AND a Telegraph. It can be interesting (and sometimes quite funny) to compare and contrast the two.
Jon Snow
Posted - 21 April 2017 09:28
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The Alt Right snowflake thinks I'm a khunt. Gutted.