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GE 8th June 2017 = UK EU Ref 2
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Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:00
EU Ref 2 is what many of us have said we wanted, that's effectively what we've got.

If the vast, vast majority of the UK don't want to leave the EU the Tories will lose the June 2017 General Election by a significant majority.

Discuss. (20 marks - you have only 7.5 weeks to complete the paper)
Jon Snow
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:00
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Define "vast, vast".
Clergs is voting lib dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:02
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basically we need to shift the Tory majority

this is our last chance to prove we're not a nation of hmongs
Twinkle twinkle little wang
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:05
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I think you're pissing into the wind here m7.
Saillaw
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:07
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Where are the Lib Dems going to find all the extra candidates and get them through selection in such a short timescale?
Jon Snow
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:09
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They are already selected Saillaw. They also recently started their ad campaign. They've been ready to go since last August.
Pinkus
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:11
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It's not going to happen.

Labour need to jettison Corbyn now and put in a leader to fight the election, obtain a mandate and then sling shite at the government for the next 5 years.

This isn't a time for blithe idealism and hoping that Tory voters aren't going to vote Tory -- it ain't going to happen.
Clergs is voting lib dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:11
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what JS said
Jethro is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:17
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I personally know a number of lifelong Conservative voters who will not vote for them this time.

I am a lifelong Labour voter who will not vote for them this time.

This election is unlike any other. It could be astounding and it is our best chance of stopping Brexit. Auntie Teresa has played into our hands and signed her own death warrant.
pancake humper
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:17
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You don't need a vast majority, you need ~35% of voters.

And if you think things are fun now, imagine what it would be like if the Lib Dems won a majority with 35% of the vote on a platform of stopping Brexit. GE mandate vs >50% referendum? It would be spectacular.

But it's the Lib Dems so this is just a nonsense hypothetical.
Twinkle twinkle little wang
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:20
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What pinkus said.
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:24
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"It could be astounding and it is our best chance of stopping Brexit."

Er, Jeth - this is the ONLY chance of stopping Brexit, hence the (I thought pretty clear) thread title.

This *is* the only EU Ref 2 the UK will ever get.

7.5 weeks to do it.

GO!

Or don't.

But it's 7.5 weeks starting today.

Tick tock.

Tick tock.

I say again - agree with her or not - May has played a blinder.
Jethro is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:26
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We keep getting called Remoaners. Very few of us have accepted the Brexit vote. We are emotional and we are determined to stop it if we can. If every single person who voted Remain votes Lib Dem (possibly unlikely in Scotland and cannot happen in Northern Ireland but entirely feasible in England and Wales) we are going to have a shock result.

This election will not be fought on traditional party political lines. This is May's huge mistake. It is indeed Referendum Mark 2.
Jethro is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:26
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Sorry BC yes of course it is the ONLY chance of stopping it and the last chance. But a very good chance nonetheless.
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:29
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Tick tock.

Tick tock.

7.5 weeks and counting.

What is happening / what are people doing to sort this out?!?

Half a day lost already.

EU Ref 2 is happening on 8th June 2017.

Will the younger eligible voters turn out this time? That could swing it. If they can be arsed.
Pinkus
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:31
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The Lib Dems will just split the Labour vote. Conservative government returned with same or increased majority. Opposition split, Lib Dems with maybe 10 more seats.

The left don't seem to have realised that politics has changed, that merely having the best ideas or ideals and attempting to hold the moral high-ground is no longer enough. The message can't get out any more -- people don't read the Guardian. People don't read left wing blogs. People read populist, angry, rhetoric that supports their opinion. This election needs to be a fvcking brawl in every contested seat, going through the nasty personal and professional detail of every Tory MP, their families, their friends, their associates, their business dealings and finding indiscretions, mistakes, broken promises, hypocrisies, fvck ups, the lot and then hammering them with it again and again and again. Hell, make stuff up. Make up facts and figures. Make promises that can never be kept. Use hearsay and conjecture. Use circular arguments. Use memes. Spread jokes and rumours. Do it to the Lib Dems, too. And never profess an opinion, never state a policy, just attack the opponent not the issue. Return a workable opposition and then keep hammering for the next 5 years. It's the only way.
Jethro is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:33
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Stopping the madness of Brexit has nothing to do with "the left". You're delusional. This is the biggest mistake the Tories have made in the modern era.
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:33
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So WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE DO, Pinkus?!??

WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE DO?

Tell us!

TELL US!

The clock is ticking and we only have until 8th June 2017.

People are here, ready and waiting - BUT TELL US WHAT TO DO!
Pinkus
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:39
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"So WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE DO, Pinkus?!??"

Vote Labour. Obvs.
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:53
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Anna is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:57
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Voting Labour might make sense if Labour were actually fvcking well opposing this. But they aren't.
Jon Snow
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:59
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Time for your tablets, eh BC?
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:00
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Jon - I'm not sure whether you think you disagree with me politically so think it's a good idea to insult me by suggesting I need medication or for some other reason.

Please explain.
Jon Snow
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:02
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You're just acting a bit cray cray, m6.
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:03
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FAOD, and as posted in reply to your last dig directed at me about an hour ago, now reiterated here:

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"Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 17:01

I wouldn't have me down as anything if I were you, JS.


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Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:04
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Right.

How am I "just acting a bit cray cray", Jon Snow?

Apart from now quoting sh1te Taylor Swiftisms as a grown man, obv.

Please do explain in full.
Siegfreid
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:05
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There is no organized opposition. Cons back in, with an effectively bigger majority, perhaps the LibDems will make something of a comeback but only to the extent that brexit has a better quality running commentary delivered with good accent.
Jon Snow
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:05
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The last comment wasn't a dig. It was a genuine statement of surprise as you didn't seem that unhinged. Soz, happy to stand corrected.
Pinkus
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:06
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Opposing what? Brexit?

Seriously, the next Tory government is going to be in power for at least the next 5 years. It's absurd to vote on the basis of one issue that's already been decided thereby reducing the effectiveness of the whole of the opposition for that time.
Jon Snow
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:06
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Calm down luv
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:10
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It's a re-run of the 1980s - except the lady in no10 is a bit nicer this time. Labour have an even more unelectable leader than Kinnock and Labour / Lib Dem will split the lentil-munching vote, giving the Tories a huge majority.
Siegfreid
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:12
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Pinkus, I think the belief on both sides of the debate that the form of brexit is influenceable (on the spectrum of withdrawing Art 50 through to hard brexit and no agreement with the EU) will ensure that this is one of the least party political elections in a lifetime.
minkie
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:23
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You're all mental
Not every Remainer is a frothing remonaer
More thNnhalf of people voted Brexit and all indications are that they havent changed their minds
Brexit voters by and large bored with the whole thing and will vote along their usual lines
Milllions of people dont follow the birthing pains of Brexit and dont care anyway

One thing which has changed - nasty campaigns lose votes nowadays
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:25
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Why do you think that the form of brexit is influenceable? Even if we had Chuck Norris as Prime Minister, with a 500 seat majority, I'm not convinced that he could influence the other 27 nations overly. They have said that they will give the UK a very hard time come what may. Even he might get forced into a hard brexit of some description, pour encourager les autres.
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:26
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This is EU Ref 2, minkie, Sieg and others.

It's last chance saloon to reverse Brexit.

8th June 2017 = the deadline. 7.5 weeks' time.

How precisely do we reverse Brexit during the next 7.5 weeks?
minkie
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:31
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People dont want to reverse Brexit.
Only Rof wants to reverse Brexit

I am not stupid, I realise there is a big difference re type of Brexit but the distinction will be lost on the voting oublic. Esp if theres another slanging match.
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:31
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I agree with minkie. A lot of people are so over brexit.

The Labour vote will collapse, because Corbyn is seen as a dishevelled incompetent. Lib Dem will pick up a lot of that, but it might not translate into lots of seats.

The UKIP vote (12.5% in 2015) will collapse too. The party always was a bit of a shambles, and now it is an embarrassment. UKIP has served its purpose. Thanks Nigel, the OBE is in the post. The Tories could pick up nearly all of the former UKIP vote, as TM is now doing more or less exactly what they wanted.
minkie
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:45
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I predict low turnout.
London will be interesting. Some Lab increases and Con too. Nothing for Lib Dems
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:47
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minkie and Sergio Bogface - you're both lifelong Tory voters, aren't you?
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:54
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Heh!

I will be voting Tory this time - for the first time in my life.
Twinkle twinkle little wang
Posted - 18 April 2017 18:58
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I agree with their analysis BC. Jethro is insane
Lydia
Posted - 18 April 2017 19:15
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"If the vast, vast majority of the UK don't want to leave the EU"

Well that's totally not the case. About half want to leave and many many Tory voters like I am who support Remain will vote Tory as we have accepted the Brexit vote.

This sort of thread illustrates yet again how posh left wing lawyer elites are completely out of touch with most people out there. They live in some kind of bubble thinking everyone shares their views when people don't.
Bright Carver
Posted - 18 April 2017 19:18
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Heh.

Okay, Lyds.

I bow to your view from outside of the bubble.

Okay.
minkie
Posted - 18 April 2017 19:40
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Heh
Actually I was brought up Lib voter
Its not views I am pushing here its what I think might happen.

BC Im afraid people have got over Brexit by and large and Lydia is right in so far as certain factions refusing to accept others' point of view.
Twinkle twinkle little wang
Posted - 18 April 2017 19:43
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I reckon we'll have super low turn out this time. Wonder if you can bet on 18-25 turn out being sub 30%
Sergio Bogface
Posted - 18 April 2017 19:52
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I reckon the turnout will be OK but not spectacular.

I think that TM will get the sort of landslide / majority that TB used to enjoy. If so, that might mean Tories for 10 years, on the assumption that it's not that often a party wins one GE by a landslide and then loses the next GE 5 years later.
hoolie is voting lib dem
Posted - 18 April 2017 21:36
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I don't think the outcome of this election can reverse brexit. That is happening.

It can influence the kind of brexit we get. I fear the kind of brexit a lot of the English want is a land of hope and glory, reinstate the empire, funny foreigners out kind tho.
Third Half
Posted - 19 April 2017 00:17
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Getting on...to the past

Corporal, where are they? F'ward? The Lewis gunners are concentrated along this trench? You have? Good-oh. Well done. I will take the rest to the left...wait here until I send a runner and then meet us forward...shortly...
Edelweiss Pirate
Posted - 19 April 2017 07:08
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"Where are the Lib Dems going to find all the extra candidates and get them through selection in such a short timescale?"

They will already have selected in most seats, but it's a piece of pyss to find political candidates. You just need someone willing to smile and wear the right colour rosette.
Edelweiss Pirate
Posted - 19 April 2017 07:09
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"The Lib Dems will just split the Labour vote"

Mate

There isn't a Labour vote any mroe
Legal Alien is voting Tory
Posted - 19 April 2017 08:35
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I am loving the utter delusion on this thread. BRING ON THE ELECTION. BRING ON THE BREXIT. BRING ON 10 MORE YEARS OF TORY GOVERNMENT.

*walks away humming Land of Hope and Glory*
Jethro is voting Lib Dem
Posted - 19 April 2017 08:41
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We'll see who is insane wang.

There are millions of people in this country who are definitely not reconciled to Brexit happening. This is their chance.

This election is about Brexit. Everything else is secondary.
Lydia
Posted - 19 April 2017 08:44
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Ten more years would be rather good.
Don't assume new 18 yar olds won't vote. My twins will be voting. I don't know who for as that is up to them and I haven't asked yet but they and most of the boys in their class who are 18 will definitely vote. They are all very interested in politics and indeed economics too. (A level subject)
Hank is voting LibDem
Posted - 19 April 2017 08:48
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Agree this election is simply about brexit. Even if the Tories win a majority and the numbers voting for remain candidates will be important background to the negotiations as to what sort of brexit we get. Perhaps more than ever before there will be no wasted votes.