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TC Chances - some advice please
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lawstudent761
Posted - 20 July 2016 09:10
Hi all, could anyone offer some insight as to the chances I have of securing a TC with a City law firm?

Uni: Russell Group
Grades
1st Year: 55 (48 in contract law)
2nd Year: 61 (63 in Tort)
3rd Year: 66 (2 firsts, 67 in Company)

Work Experience (all Hong Kong)
Davis Polk
White & Case
Baker
Mayer Brown

ECA
President of a Society
Committee member of the Debate Team.

Rejections so far
Slaughters, CC, Reed Smith, HSF.

Thanks!







jubilee
Posted - 21 July 2016 11:05
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You have a reasonable chance - were your rejections at application screening or interview?

Try to get feedback at interviews if that's where you fell, you need good business awareness and the ability to talk clearly with purpose. Business awareness means how business buy/sell/trade/borrow/lend/operate, and not just remembering whatever FTSE 100 company that has been in the FT recently has just announced.

If you have just finished uni and at a loss about what to do, try moving to London and getting some work in a bulge bracket bank, big 4 accountancy firm, insurance firm or (as a distant last option, paralegal work). Read Know the City by Chris Stoakes if you haven't already.

If you haven't got a TC after 2-3 years of trying then think about other options for a proper career (i.e. avoid treading water in a back office job for years waiting for something to happen).
pfoforlife
Posted - 21 July 2016 12:41
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As juiblee said, you have a reasonable chance.

Your university will be a factor, since those marks from LSE would be seen in a different light to the same marks at Liverpool.

How many applications have you sent? Judging by your rejections to date, you may need to cast your net wider.
Peter_pan
Posted - 22 July 2016 11:32
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Aim a little lower. Your mid-2:2 in your first year (including a 3rd in contract) combined with a low 2:1 in our second year won't get you into a magic circle firm, they to see consistent ability across the three years. Try mid-size or national firms.
lawstudent761
Posted - 26 July 2016 12:38
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Hey everyone!

Thank you for your replies

They were all post paper apps.

I'm from UCL (just to clarify)

Number of firm's I've applied to: 19.

I'll try the mid-size firms though I'm unclear as to whether they sponsor Tier 2 visas.
pfoforlife
Posted - 27 July 2016 09:46
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19 applications is quite high, considering that you have a good overall degree from UCL.

If none of them bite, then something is probably wrong with your application writing.

Don't feel pressured to apply to firms that you're not at all keen on, yet.
MTaylor88
Posted - 27 July 2016 13:55
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Lawstudent761 - Are you applying from inside the UK or from HK? My understanding of Tier 2 (general) visas is that if you are still on your Tier 4 visa then you can get a non-restricted Tier 2 visa and transfer across easily, as such getting the visa should not be an issue, and I understand that many law firms do hold Sponsor licences so should be able to sponsor you on a Tier 2 visa - you can check who holds one at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/541075/2 016-07-27_Tier_2_5_Register_of_Sponsors.pdf

And even some who do not hold the licence themselves are still able through other companies to sponsor someone. It isn't particularly expensive or difficult and the HR departments of many of the larger firms in the UK do this in-house.

If, however, you cannot apply from within the UK, or for any reason you cant swap from Tier 4 to Tier 2, then a firm who might be interested in offering you a TC would need to complete an RLMT meaning they would have to advertise the position to all of those in the UK and the EU and only if there were no viable applicants inside the UK or EU would they then be able to offer you the position.
MTaylor88
Posted - 27 July 2016 13:58
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Sorry, I should have said:

...meaning they would have to advertise the position to all of those in the UK and the EU and only if there were no viable applicants inside the UK or EU would they then be able to offer you the position...however as I am sure you can imagine, with thousands of applications to each firm from within the UK, the job advert would not pass the RLMT requirements as there would clearly be others in the UK / EU who could fill the vacancy (it has nothing to do with who would be the best candidate but simply if someone fits the brief)
Roscoe P. Coltrane
Posted - 28 July 2016 19:45
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Perhaps you should apply for some top 50 or top 100 firms as well as top 25 and in order to increase your chances of getting an offer...
lawstudent761
Posted - 30 July 2016 16:18
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Once again, thank you everyone!

I'm currently applying from the UK and hopefully some bite. I'll hear back after July 31st

Re: MTaylor88, I noticed that Addleshaw Goddard was on the list but their application form says they can't sponsor any visas.....
MTaylor88
Posted - 01 August 2016 09:13
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There could be many reasons why they are on the list but say they won't sponsor trainees - as they have international offices, if they need someone to work in the UK from one of those other offices, outside the EU, then they would need a sponsor licence to bring them in on a Tier 2 ICT visa, if they want to make a permanent hire at a higher level they would need to have the licence etc. It may be that their general practice is to not support sponsorship.

I have known of some companies (outside of law) who do not want to sponsor visas because they see it as an additional risk to their investment - people already leave places when they are qualified to go back to regional offices (or back to London if they trained in a regional office) so the risk can be greater if an international element is involved - but I am not sure how true this would be of law firms.

It is certainly something you could clarify with them over an email before attempting to submit an application.