As the article says, the tozzas will just ditch bojo and install a new person who will claim to wash away the sins and tozza PLC will continue to act as a conduit for public money into the coffers of donors as per.
Read the article. It raises an interesting point, which is probably uncomfortable/denial-inducing, but worth considering.
I know you like to paint me as some sort of Trotsky or something, but I'm not. I've no particular alliance to any party, save that the precise thing he describes about current day Tories is the reason why I'm so anti Tory now. The same thing has happened to the GOP. Jettison all sense of purpose and values, if you get an easy win this week.
The same thing has happened to the GOP. Jettison all sense of purpose and values, if you get an easy win this week.
Seems to be working though: widely tipped to regain Congress at the midterm election and I wouldn't be surprised by Trump returning to the White House in 2024.
You could write an almost identical article about the Labour Party and their support of globalisation eroding British industry. And all the trans/anti Semitic stuff too
What an idiotic article. The civil service was closely involved in "the shaming events in Downing Street". So the country is irreversibly corrupted. And then when Labour next gets in the exact same people will not be able to do any wrong.
Fetishisation of hatred of a political party is a sure sign of a nitwit whose views can be ignored.
Yeah, coz the civil servants who work in No10 are randomly assigned from a pool and not hand-picked for their loyalty to the (non) ideology... Sweet boy.
Allegra, thanks for your sterling work as Downing St spokesperson. Next on your civil service rotation, Department of Transport and developing the next Highway Code.
The Labour Party, through their deputy leader and other longstanding MPs questioning the independence and capacity of the cabinet office to remain impartial. Those are both core principles of the civil service and the foundation of trust and confidence in them from both the Government they advise and the country that they serve.
Hi Amit - as I'm sure you know, the cabinets tactic of pointing to the Gray report was to try to buy them some time for media reports to calm down. Labour called them out on it, presumably because the prime minister already knows if he went to a party and doesn't need a civil servant to investigate this and tell him.
You have got impartiality backwards.
The civil service serves the government, not the country - see civil service code. It is the responsibility of ministers, not civil servants, to be accountable to the public/country.
Impartiality means serving whichever government is in place, not serving the public against the government.
Where, as appears to be the case here, ministers and particularly the prime minister do not fulfil their own duties properly, then the system doesn't work very well.
It further reinforces my view that the most conservative/puritanical voices in political discourse now are now those of the self righteous Guardian left. In essence if we use the terms left and right wing in their original French Revolution sense, the left are the right now in many ways.
Their po faced moralising is sickening to watch and I think it's all too convenient that this is only coming out now when, after almost 2 years of some of the worst lawmaking in the non war history of Britain, Boris has finally grown something of a pair re vuvu. It's like a little nudge to remind the public how good we were to obey the tyrannical and cruel laws which we will almost certainly see the likes of again.
The proper response would be to refund all the fines issued to the public under these Acts...
"It further reinforces my view that the most conservative/puritanical voices in political discourse now are now those of the self righteous Guardian left. In essence if we use the terms left and right wing in their original French Revolution sense, the left are the right now in many ways."
Puritanical, yes.
Conservative, no. The Guardian lot have no allegiance to the old institutions like the monarchy.
There is absolutely nothing anti-monarchist about having a sesh on the eve of Philip's funeral. Unless you were actually related to him.
It was a stupid thing to do if you are in politics but only because you should have known the papers would use their puritanical faux outrage to sell clicks.
What a load of toss. How is it "po faced moralising" to point to any of the things under discussion in the article? It's observing that it's not very conservative to do a lot of the things the modern Conservative party does.
Intellectually, currently at least, just about still on life support.
They’ve just stopped thinking. Indeed no longer seem capable of it.
I suppose the end of reason is to be expected for a party that is suspicious of the Enlightenment and for which all that is left is the hollow laughter of Johnson’s nihilistic mockery and crap Churchill impressions.
perhaps it was premature to declare a permanent & fundamental realignment of British politics based on the outcome of one Brexit skewed election in which a still popular Tory leader beat a fractured left led by a then deeply unpopular Corbyn?
This is an interesting article from an academic historian on the closed mind of the Conservative Party. His mentor was a historian of the Conservative Party from the perspective of a self-confessed raving ex-Bennite…
Conservative party died when they became the party of Brexit. Conservatives used to be the party of business and low tax. Used to be a unionist party (now they’ve accelerated a UI by decades and are undermining their colleagues in Scotland).
Now they’re just a home for right wing headbangers (electoral “agreement” with the Brexit Party in GE19) and a tool to further Russia’s foreign policy (and to launder their oligarch’s dirty money).
Not sure which party is the home for the centre-right these days.
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No wishful thinking on the part of the Guardian at all ...
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As the article says, the tozzas will just ditch bojo and install a new person who will claim to wash away the sins and tozza PLC will continue to act as a conduit for public money into the coffers of donors as per.
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Haven’t read the article obvs but the electoral system pushes for there to be broad church parties
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Read the article. It raises an interesting point, which is probably uncomfortable/denial-inducing, but worth considering.
I know you like to paint me as some sort of Trotsky or something, but I'm not. I've no particular alliance to any party, save that the precise thing he describes about current day Tories is the reason why I'm so anti Tory now. The same thing has happened to the GOP. Jettison all sense of purpose and values, if you get an easy win this week.
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Didn't the Conservative Party die when Boris came on? This is the UKIP cabal.
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Seems to be working though: widely tipped to regain Congress at the midterm election and I wouldn't be surprised by Trump returning to the White House in 2024.
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You could write an almost identical article about the Labour Party and their support of globalisation eroding British industry. And all the trans/anti Semitic stuff too
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What an idiotic article. The civil service was closely involved in "the shaming events in Downing Street". So the country is irreversibly corrupted. And then when Labour next gets in the exact same people will not be able to do any wrong.
Fetishisation of hatred of a political party is a sure sign of a nitwit whose views can be ignored.
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Good article, there in fact isn’t much that is “conservative” about the modern Conservative party.
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I would be surprised if Labour kept on the Tory spads but you never know.
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Yeah, coz the civil servants who work in No10 are randomly assigned from a pool and not hand-picked for their loyalty to the (non) ideology... Sweet boy.
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Allegra, thanks for your sterling work as Downing St spokesperson. Next on your civil service rotation, Department of Transport and developing the next Highway Code.
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They'll have to purge far deeper than just the Spads. They've impugned the entire cabinet office.
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Who have?
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The Labour Party, through their deputy leader and other longstanding MPs questioning the independence and capacity of the cabinet office to remain impartial. Those are both core principles of the civil service and the foundation of trust and confidence in them from both the Government they advise and the country that they serve.
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Dead as opposed to what? Labour? The Lib Dems? Haha.
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They are too frit for an election so we’re going to have to wait for a couple of years
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Yeah because people like Allegra Stratton are the only people working in Downing St.
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Hi Amit - as I'm sure you know, the cabinets tactic of pointing to the Gray report was to try to buy them some time for media reports to calm down. Labour called them out on it, presumably because the prime minister already knows if he went to a party and doesn't need a civil servant to investigate this and tell him.
You have got impartiality backwards.
The civil service serves the government, not the country - see civil service code. It is the responsibility of ministers, not civil servants, to be accountable to the public/country.
Impartiality means serving whichever government is in place, not serving the public against the government.
Where, as appears to be the case here, ministers and particularly the prime minister do not fulfil their own duties properly, then the system doesn't work very well.
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Downing St will be largely comprised of people handpicked by Boris. Cabinet Office less so.
The people who went to the parties are likely to be people exactly like Allegra. The ones who said 'wtf' will mostly be the career civil servants.
Let's see.
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It further reinforces my view that the most conservative/puritanical voices in political discourse now are now those of the self righteous Guardian left. In essence if we use the terms left and right wing in their original French Revolution sense, the left are the right now in many ways.
Their po faced moralising is sickening to watch and I think it's all too convenient that this is only coming out now when, after almost 2 years of some of the worst lawmaking in the non war history of Britain, Boris has finally grown something of a pair re vuvu. It's like a little nudge to remind the public how good we were to obey the tyrannical and cruel laws which we will almost certainly see the likes of again.
The proper response would be to refund all the fines issued to the public under these Acts...
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Yes it's definitely all the Guardian's / Labour's / the left's fault, well done. Morals are overrated anyway.
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Puritanical, yes.
Conservative, no. The Guardian lot have no allegiance to the old institutions like the monarchy.
They're Roundheads pure and simple.
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‘Conservative, no. The Guardian lot have no allegiance to the old institutions like the monarchy.’
remind me, who was having a massive sesh on the eve of the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral?
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There is absolutely nothing anti-monarchist about having a sesh on the eve of Philip's funeral. Unless you were actually related to him.
It was a stupid thing to do if you are in politics but only because you should have known the papers would use their puritanical faux outrage to sell clicks.
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What a load of toss. How is it "po faced moralising" to point to any of the things under discussion in the article? It's observing that it's not very conservative to do a lot of the things the modern Conservative party does.
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It's not "puritanical faux outrage", it's genuine anger
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Intellectually, currently at least, just about still on life support.
They’ve just stopped thinking. Indeed no longer seem capable of it.
I suppose the end of reason is to be expected for a party that is suspicious of the Enlightenment and for which all that is left is the hollow laughter of Johnson’s nihilistic mockery and crap Churchill impressions.
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Boris and his cronies.
What does that have to do with Guardian readers?
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So neither of them are conservatives then presumably by your definition.
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perhaps it was premature to declare a permanent & fundamental realignment of British politics based on the outcome of one Brexit skewed election in which a still popular Tory leader beat a fractured left led by a then deeply unpopular Corbyn?
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This is an interesting article from an academic historian on the closed mind of the Conservative Party. His mentor was a historian of the Conservative Party from the perspective of a self-confessed raving ex-Bennite…
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2019/06/leader-closin…
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That was a link to the leader column, this is the article itself.
Winding it on 2 years, the insights remain valid, I think.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2019/06/the-closing-of-the-conser…
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people are always claiming the conservative party is dead
if they’re not doing that they’re claiming the labour party is dead
but the two main parties have existed as long as we’ve had full-franchise democracy in britain
they’ll probably never die
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Conservative party died when they became the party of Brexit. Conservatives used to be the party of business and low tax. Used to be a unionist party (now they’ve accelerated a UI by decades and are undermining their colleagues in Scotland).
Now they’re just a home for right wing headbangers (electoral “agreement” with the Brexit Party in GE19) and a tool to further Russia’s foreign policy (and to launder their oligarch’s dirty money).
Not sure which party is the home for the centre-right these days.
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The party is very much alive, but it's no longer recognisable as the Conservative and Unionist Party. It's the Hottake and Distractionist Party.
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