the prime minister just announced that nobody will be able to enter a nighclub or large event without disclosing their vaccination status from September
if you think that's boring and who cares then I suggest you just fook off to facile twot planet where you belong
the prime minister just announced that nobody will be able to enter a nighclub or large event without disclosing their vaccination status from September
agreed this is fvcking stupid
either we’re going full herd immunity, let the youngsters catch it an get sick
or we keep restrictions in place
this halfway measure (but not really a measure) is completely ridiculous
what is the purpose of it when a vaccinated person can infect another vaccinated person (and indeed they are likely to drive the development of vaccine-resistant strains)?
it absolutely isn't an incentive - recent poll showed that 40% of people who are hestitant would be put off further by a passport
It is a good way to get the young-uns jabbed. Lets be honest they are running out of people who want jabbed, so they are bribing them of sorts. The more people jabbed the better!
"oh who cares about the really significant change in civil liberties I don't even give a fook because all I do is tell a student to mop an anus all day"
Can't wait to see this enforced given take up of the vaccines is much lower among certain ethnicities.
Love to live in a medical apartheid of haves and have nots.
I'm sure they'll carve out exemptions for people with allergies, but maybe not those with religious objections. Of course, you certain cannot catch Covid if you've been vaccinated nor can you spread it if you've been vaccinated right? OH WAIT YOU STILL CAN
I'm not anti vaccine, I'm anti- papers please society. You shouldn't need to show your medical status to go into a night club. I can only imagine if HIV/AIDS was discovered today, people like Chimp would be cheering on showing an AIDS test result to go to a gay bar.
Yes, it is medical apartheid when take up of the vaccine is much higher in whites and much lower in non-white youths especially. It's not going to be a good look.
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William Wragg, the chair of the committee, said: “We are entirely unconvinced by the case for their introduction.
“As vaccine uptake statistics indicate, any Covid certification system will be a discriminator along the lines of race, religion and age. Frankly, the government needs to scrap any idea of introducing Covid passports.”
A report released on Saturday by the committee concludes that any certification system would discriminate and should be halted.
“The evidence of vaccine uptake is a clear indication that such a system would likely disproportionately discriminate against people on the basis of race, religion and socioeconomic background, as well as on the basis of age due to the sequencing of the vaccine rollout,” the committee found.
Fine, it's totally not discriminatory and you can virtue signal that using a strong analogy to racial / class discrimination in South Africa obsolves you from your idiotic view that a covid passport scheme used for night clubs is fine.
Jesus make an actual point on why it's okay to be discriminatory instead of virtue signalling that comparisons to Apartheid are wrong. Is that too hard for you?
"“The evidence of vaccine uptake is a clear indication that such a system would likely disproportionately discriminate against people on the basis of race, religion and socioeconomic background, as well as on the basis of age due to the sequencing of the vaccine rollout,” the committee found."
Here, refute this finding form the Parliament committe Chimp. No reference to apartheid here.
Fine, it's totally not discriminatory and you can virtue signal that using a strong analogy to racial / class discrimination in South Africa obsolves you from your idiotic view that a covid passport scheme used for night clubs is fine.
I didn’t say it was “fine”. It will in fact incentivise uptake of the vaccine though. Won’t it?
Seems to me the government are deffo going for herd immunity, otherwise why not impose the night club restrictions from Monday, as opposed to waiting ten weeks. Nightclubs have already said they won't be checking peoples vaccine status
Do you think we need to incentivize uptake of the vaccine at all costs? Isn't take up of the vaccine quite high in the UK relative to the rest of the world? Why are we still so fixated on Covid when the vast majority of people and almost all vulnerable are vaccinated? It's the proportion/appropriateness of this response to combat covid without sense that bothers me.
In other words, it isn't NECESSARY, it's clearly morally repugnant, yet Boris wants to do it anyway. Why? Who is benefitting? I am starting to understand where the conspiracy theorists are coming from.
Do you think we need to incentivize uptake of the vaccine at all costs?
Not at all costs, no. I do agree that this is an odd policy, and it doesn’t really make sense. I don’t think it will last very long though. Just a hunch.
I can only imagine if HIV/AIDS was discovered today, people like Chimp would be cheering on showing an AIDS test result to go to a gay bar.
you can virtue signal that using a strong analogy to racial / class discrimination in South Africa obsolves you from your idiotic view that a covid passport scheme used for night clubs is fine.
canadian seriously u ok?
you’ve won it’s fine
restrictions are lifted we’re all gonna catch covid
Chill - you of all people should realize that telling people of a particular medical status who happen to be predominantly black and poor that they aren't allowed to go into a club is not far off from the atrocities of apartheid. It is separating society into those allowed to go places and those not allowed. It's disgusting and not worth defending. If you choose to defend it, when we have huge take up of the vaccines and the vaccines work better than we could have hoped, you should really look into yourself and decide if you're arguing to be contrary to someone who is anti lockdown or if you honestly believe it's the right thing to do, damn the consequences.
"restrictions are lifted we’re all gonna catch covid"
Too late. Between natural infections and vaccinations, something like 99% of people over 60 have antibodies now.
In England, it is estimated that around 9 in 10 adults, or 89.8% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 88.2% to 91.3%) would have tested positive for antibodies against coronavirus (COVID-19) - SARS-CoV-2 - on a blood test in the week beginning 14 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.
In Wales, it is estimated that 9 in 10 adults, or 91.8% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 90.1% to 93.3%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 14 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.
In Northern Ireland, it is estimated that close to 9 in 10 adults, or 87.2% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 84.2% to 90.2%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 14 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.
In Scotland, it is estimated that over 8 in 10 adults, or 84.7% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 82.4% to 86.9%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 14 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.
Good question. And worth pursuing by our government to answer that question and address the issues they have with education on the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Working with communities and religious figures to help persuade people to take the vaccine. That's what they should do instead of bringing in a state-sponsored, discriminatory policy that bans entry for certain people that the majority will be poor youths of colour.
While I think this is horrendous of course, I am still betting this is a heavy handed nudge by the government to get the 18-30 crowd vaxxed. There are a ton of practical issues, not least the discrimination angle and I don’t think they have actually made up their minds to do it.
in practical terms I think it will depend on the overall panic levels in September. If The Fear is high enough they will introduce. Otherwise not.
Chill - you of all people should realize that telling people of a particular medical status who happen to be predominantly black and poor that they aren't allowed to go into a club is not far off from the atrocities of apartheid. It is separating society into those allowed to go places and those not allowed. It's disgusting and not worth defending. If you choose to defend it, when we have huge take up of the vaccines and the vaccines work better than we could have hoped, you should really look into yourself and decide if you're arguing to be contrary to someone who is anti lockdown or if you honestly believe it's the right thing to do, damn the consequences.
Stru - I understand they are struggling to plan to extend it to restos and pubs with a view to selective lockdown this winter.
I said earlier Scotland was worse but ironically our shit tech may save us this fate.
The huge irony that people who don't need a vaccine because it doesn't matter if we catch covid are excluded from society for the benefit of those who should probably be Staying Safe if they don't want to die (even with a vaccine).
If we dont have herd immunity by December, we never will. Inclined to assume that this sort of policy will be permanent unless there is a very strict end date.
The thing is that I actually agree that this policy doesn’t make a lot of sense, I just don’t agree with your own policy of constant doom-mongering. That’s the record I want you to change. Please action ASAP.
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so 16 yr olds will not be able to go to nightclubs
are youth nightclubs a thing?
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what’s happened?
have they had to shut because all the staff got track and traced after one night?
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vaccine passports from September
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remember when folk said "it's over"?
it's not
obedient queuing for the rest of your life to do normal things
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Change the fvcking record.
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chimp
the prime minister just announced that nobody will be able to enter a nighclub or large event without disclosing their vaccination status from September
if you think that's boring and who cares then I suggest you just fook off to facile twot planet where you belong
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FROM September
not until
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Should be a powerful incentive to take up the vaccine then.
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Oh look another of those things people on this board confidently said would never happen is happening
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Seems fair,
Everyone will be vaxxed by then, apart from underage kids and conspiracy loons.
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agreed this is fvcking stupid
either we’re going full herd immunity, let the youngsters catch it an get sick
or we keep restrictions in place
this halfway measure (but not really a measure) is completely ridiculous
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Yep that's fair. Means the vaxxed are the new educated classes. Which they are.
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What are you referring to? Working vaccines?
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what is the purpose of it when a vaccinated person can infect another vaccinated person (and indeed they are likely to drive the development of vaccine-resistant strains)?
it absolutely isn't an incentive - recent poll showed that 40% of people who are hestitant would be put off further by a passport
I am one of them
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time for raves tbh
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and, once again, starting in September
buckle up for a few years of intense restrictions because it isn't going to "just" be this
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It is a good way to get the young-uns jabbed. Lets be honest they are running out of people who want jabbed, so they are bribing them of sorts. The more people jabbed the better!
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it isn't bribery, it's coercion
and there is no reason why an 18 year old should be vaccinated
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I might have got it in a couple of years
I definitely won't now
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What EBITDA said.
So who wants to hang around with anti-vaccers?
Rather weed them out.
Also 16 year olds can't go to nightclubs, due to licensing rules. Unless it's nappy night. Are they still a thing? They were 20 years ago.
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So it incentivises 60% of hesitant people but you characterise it as “absolutely not an incentive”. What’s wrong with your brain, do you think?
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I predict the return of the illicit rave, Es and acid house.
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chimp - 40% said it would make them LESS likely
that doesn;t mean 60% will be more likely
you are a fooking moron on every level
"oh who cares about the really significant change in civil liberties I don't even give a fook because all I do is tell a student to mop an anus all day"
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you might think it is proportionate or justified (I obviously fooking disagree)
but pretending it is not even a blip worthy of comment just makes you a aunt
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I mean, Patrick Vallance also just said that 60% of hospital admissions are fully vaccinated
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Heh. This is the pivot then.
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You are really raging at the dying of the light now.
Throwing insults around as your precious pandemic is over.
You'll have to find something else to moan about.
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Right. It’s not an unreasonable inference though, is it? Maybe you could link the “recent poll” so I can look at the figures for myself.
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Sorry?
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Can't wait to see this enforced given take up of the vaccines is much lower among certain ethnicities.
Love to live in a medical apartheid of haves and have nots.
I'm sure they'll carve out exemptions for people with allergies, but maybe not those with religious objections. Of course, you certain cannot catch Covid if you've been vaccinated nor can you spread it if you've been vaccinated right? OH WAIT YOU STILL CAN
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60% of hospitalised have it
spreading their resistant virus particles everywhere
lol
nightclub variant 2021
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Yes there is perfectly good reason why as many people are jabbed as possible.The vaccines work and protect. Let's jab up!
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Clergham now fully pro-COVID.
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Yeah you can but the rate of both is reduced. Sorry the vaccine isn’t exactly to your liking m7.
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I don’t mind people “commenting”. What I find irritating is your constant wailing day after day after day about how life will never be the same again
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We’re comparing it to apartheid now are we? Good-o.
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I'm not anti vaccine, I'm anti- papers please society. You shouldn't need to show your medical status to go into a night club. I can only imagine if HIV/AIDS was discovered today, people like Chimp would be cheering on showing an AIDS test result to go to a gay bar.
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yeah, I think that anyone who opposes these needs to show resistance to the coercive system
if this results in greater uptake it will just keep happening
no access if you don't comply
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and life WILL never be the same again if you don't see that, now, as we look ahead to years of gross intrusions, you are blind
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Where’s that poll?
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Just a few more weeks
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Yes, it is medical apartheid when take up of the vaccine is much higher in whites and much lower in non-white youths especially. It's not going to be a good look.
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William Wragg, the chair of the committee, said: “We are entirely unconvinced by the case for their introduction.
“As vaccine uptake statistics indicate, any Covid certification system will be a discriminator along the lines of race, religion and age. Frankly, the government needs to scrap any idea of introducing Covid passports.”
A report released on Saturday by the committee concludes that any certification system would discriminate and should be halted.
“The evidence of vaccine uptake is a clear indication that such a system would likely disproportionately discriminate against people on the basis of race, religion and socioeconomic background, as well as on the basis of age due to the sequencing of the vaccine rollout,” the committee found.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/12/covid-passports-will-b…
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Yeah resist. SMASH THE STATE. DESTROY THE POLITICAL CLASS. IMPRISON MPS.
Oh.
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I don’t think that’s what apartheid means.
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Fine, it's totally not discriminatory and you can virtue signal that using a strong analogy to racial / class discrimination in South Africa obsolves you from your idiotic view that a covid passport scheme used for night clubs is fine.
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Jesus make an actual point on why it's okay to be discriminatory instead of virtue signalling that comparisons to Apartheid are wrong. Is that too hard for you?
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"“The evidence of vaccine uptake is a clear indication that such a system would likely disproportionately discriminate against people on the basis of race, religion and socioeconomic background, as well as on the basis of age due to the sequencing of the vaccine rollout,” the committee found."
Here, refute this finding form the Parliament committe Chimp. No reference to apartheid here.
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No, chimp just does glib insistence that this will only be for a few weeks and any evidence to the contrary doesn't exist
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I didn’t say it was “fine”. It will in fact incentivise uptake of the vaccine though. Won’t it?
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Ps nobody gives a fvck about nightclubs
Clubbers are young and not especially well off
Exactly the sort of people at risk from variants when vax rates in that cohort are too low.
Jab up or fvck off
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Is there some reason I need to? Surely it’s for you to support your hysterical reference to “medical apartheid”.
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I mean, farewell track and trace, hello showing the bouncer an extract from your medical records. Starting 6 weeks after "freedom Day".
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Seems to me the government are deffo going for herd immunity, otherwise why not impose the night club restrictions from Monday, as opposed to waiting ten weeks. Nightclubs have already said they won't be checking peoples vaccine status
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And he clearly indicated it wouldn't be stopping at clubs.
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Lol at you for getting upset about its being pointed out that “apartheid” is not really the correct comparison here though.
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Presumably all you “polyamorists” will be off to torture garden to get your airtight fix tonight?
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I like JVT, he seems balanced, down to earth and normal. Agreed?
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Well the tech doesn't exist yet
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Fair enough, Chimp.
Do you think we need to incentivize uptake of the vaccine at all costs? Isn't take up of the vaccine quite high in the UK relative to the rest of the world? Why are we still so fixated on Covid when the vast majority of people and almost all vulnerable are vaccinated? It's the proportion/appropriateness of this response to combat covid without sense that bothers me.
In other words, it isn't NECESSARY, it's clearly morally repugnant, yet Boris wants to do it anyway. Why? Who is benefitting? I am starting to understand where the conspiracy theorists are coming from.
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And young people are at virtually no risk, and the ones who are won't be going to nightclubs anyway
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Not at all costs, no. I do agree that this is an odd policy, and it doesn’t really make sense. I don’t think it will last very long though. Just a hunch.
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17 - no vaccine for you it's not safe
18 - take a vaccine, scum, what if an ageing professional has to face the consequences of their own bad lifestyle choices
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Hi Chimp.
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I really hope uptake doesn't increase because if it does that means this method is going to be used for all sorts of things.
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can’t quite believe we went from “there’ll be more queuing” to “it’s basically apartheid” in less than twenty minutes
team sane really having a mare today for some reason
and on their freedom day!
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Not to mention, the vaccine passport expires. Your freedom will be contingent on taking a booster whenever it is deemed "necessary".
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Slippery slope stuff. A boring dystopia.
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It would have been kinder just to let people die of covid
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canadian seriously u ok?
you’ve won it’s fine
restrictions are lifted we’re all gonna catch covid
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Are we?
what was the point of the vaccine then?
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To stop us dying from covid, Linda. But you knew that.
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Barry Gibb must already be rubbing his hands at the prospect tbf
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The vaccines work, Jab up now PLEAXE
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Work to do what?
It's absolutely critical that people do not respond to coercion by getting a vaccine.
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I was told it reduces transmission by about 90%
it would be strange if people who haven't caught covid to date get it after being vaccinated
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Do you want an annual expiring covid passport determining the basic facets of your life?
Oops late for the booster so no job interview or restaurant for you.
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Chill - you of all people should realize that telling people of a particular medical status who happen to be predominantly black and poor that they aren't allowed to go into a club is not far off from the atrocities of apartheid. It is separating society into those allowed to go places and those not allowed. It's disgusting and not worth defending. If you choose to defend it, when we have huge take up of the vaccines and the vaccines work better than we could have hoped, you should really look into yourself and decide if you're arguing to be contrary to someone who is anti lockdown or if you honestly believe it's the right thing to do, damn the consequences.
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"restrictions are lifted we’re all gonna catch covid"
Too late. Between natural infections and vaccinations, something like 99% of people over 60 have antibodies now.
In Wales, it is estimated that 9 in 10 adults, or 91.8% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 90.1% to 93.3%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 14 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.
In Northern Ireland, it is estimated that close to 9 in 10 adults, or 87.2% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 84.2% to 90.2%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 14 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.
In Scotland, it is estimated that over 8 in 10 adults, or 84.7% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 82.4% to 86.9%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 14 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.
Source
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare…
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Oh fook off! Really.
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No, you fook off. It's wrong by any measure to tell people of a certain medical status they can't go into a club.
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And to require absolutely everyone to declare their medical records as a condition of entry.
With no end date
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Why has there been poor take up in certain communities?
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Nobody in good faith can say that's no big deal.
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Probably because they're already immune from delivering to all the wrinkly white middle class people for a year and a half.
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Will be interesting to see Labours response.
Probably a po faced Keir Starmer saying:
“We support the government policy, but why not extend it to pubs, restaurants and schools as well?”
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He's already totally down with it.
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Good question. And worth pursuing by our government to answer that question and address the issues they have with education on the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Working with communities and religious figures to help persuade people to take the vaccine. That's what they should do instead of bringing in a state-sponsored, discriminatory policy that bans entry for certain people that the majority will be poor youths of colour.
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It's interesting how the value of the individual has completely died
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While I think this is horrendous of course, I am still betting this is a heavy handed nudge by the government to get the 18-30 crowd vaxxed. There are a ton of practical issues, not least the discrimination angle and I don’t think they have actually made up their minds to do it.
in practical terms I think it will depend on the overall panic levels in September. If The Fear is high enough they will introduce. Otherwise not.
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And then she put the crack pipe down
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Keir already came out against covid passports in the Spring, saying it was un-British. Let's hope he keeps that?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/31/exclusive-covid-vaccine…
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Never go full retard.
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Stru - I understand they are struggling to plan to extend it to restos and pubs with a view to selective lockdown this winter.
I said earlier Scotland was worse but ironically our shit tech may save us this fate.
The huge irony that people who don't need a vaccine because it doesn't matter if we catch covid are excluded from society for the benefit of those who should probably be Staying Safe if they don't want to die (even with a vaccine).
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Not really. Depends on the community prevalence and what they are doing to increase their risk of contracting it that they were not doing before.
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Canadian buddy, you should probably let the apartheid stuff go. It’s making you look absolutely bonkers.
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Chimp you're the one who is trying to this is fine this.
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“I understand”
Source?
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If we dont have herd immunity by December, we never will. Inclined to assume that this sort of policy will be permanent unless there is a very strict end date.
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Actually Clergham, I told you to change the fvcking record. I 100% stand by that.
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The thing is that I actually agree that this policy doesn’t make a lot of sense, I just don’t agree with your own policy of constant doom-mongering. That’s the record I want you to change. Please action ASAP.
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