"No evidence"

I don't get this "no evidence" argument that whips have been blackmailing tory MPs

2 MPs have said so, on the record

  1. it didn't happen
  2. there's no evidence it happened
  3. it did happen but it was within the rules
  4. it did happen, was outside the rules, but the people doing it didn't know what the rules were at the time

As I said this morning, they are pointedly using "no evidence", "I have not seen." i.e. we've covered it up well and I might have heard stuff or been wilfully blind to it. 

He quite obviously means written evidence, which is what the man on the street would understand colloquially to be "evidence". Fairly obvious. I think our bicycling barrister is thinking too hard. 

Not forgetting:

5. People want us to concentrate on killing people in care homes, fueling PPE fraud, ensuring shortages of basic goods, reducing exports, failing to deal with energy security for a decade leaving us at the mercy of a KGB agent etc. etc. When David Davis is your moral judge you know you are in trouble. 

Inference isn’t proof. 

Words alone can state something very different from what is inferred by an accompanying wink.

W:  You make a very good case for the very important investment in your constituency

MP: I know

W:  But funds are not unlimited

MP: ‘Choices have to be made’

W: Exactly!  Just what the PM says

MP: How does the PM make choices?

W: Ah well.  Wouldn’t we all like to know?

MP:  And …?

W:  He wouldn’t want to be seen to back something that wasn’t supported across the Parliamentary Party, would he?

MP: Well,  no.  I suppose not.

W: He wants to be sure that he has full support across all of the Parliamentary party 😉

MP: I see

W: You do? 😉

MP: (nods)

W: Excellent.  I’m sure that the PM will your project appropriate consideration

W: At the right time …

 

 

Is the testimony given at the committee also under oath (or at least intentionally misleading the committee would have the same conventions as lying to parliament).

there is absolutely no evidence that the thing that, on the basis of the lack of evidence, I say didn't happen which you say did happen but offer no evidence of whatsoever other than the assertions of two MPs which I say can be disregarded as they would, wouldn't they, and anyway that is not evidence, and if it is evidence then it is not what I call evidence so therefore it is not evidence, happened, and unless you can provide evidence that it did happen, other than the assertions of the two discredited MPs, then I will continue to remain of the view that it did not happen.  Whether it did happen or not is not the issue. The issue is whether there is evidence of it happening or not.  I am not aware of any. 

If it happened as they say it did, they should have produced the evidence on the day it happened.

Instead they have sat on it hoping to make the best out of it (if it exists, LOL) to maximise their personal gain. Which is just a, if not more,  corrupt than the beahviour htey claim to have been subjected too.

 

"Here was some purported blackmail that I was willing to go along with until my side of the deal became less advantageous so now I'm ratting everyone out!! " is as scummy as it gets. 

 

“This definitely happened, on my (unwritten) instructions. I know it did, you know it did, I know you know it did and you know I know you know it did. And because there’s nothing in writing, there isn’t anything to link me to this thing that happened, so I’ll continue to pretend it didn’t happen and demand evidence that what we all know happened really did happen. See these fingers in my ears? Can’t hear you - and now I’m thticking out’ mah tongue, you thee? Ner-ner-nee-ner-ner”

Mr Wakeford told the Times: “It’s not very helpful to back an opposition [motion] against the department where you’re wanting an extremely large favour from said department, so do consider what you’re doing.

Exactly.