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slowly but surely the harms of lockdown are acknowledged

those of us with fully developed brains (or those still developing but lucky enough to live with understanding families who prioritise their own lifetime wellbeing over Doing as You Are Told) are very lucky indeed

https://twitter.com/i/events/1417036142407524352

The impact on education is what scares me most.  How many hours of schooling have been missed largely by those who can least afford to miss any school? It's close to two full school years down the drain. 

Interesting that they flag the importance of meditation / mindfulness to rewire the brain healthily - we did this daily last year, need to get back into the habit 

People dismissing something because they don't happen to like the paper talking about it is so tedious.  Sure, some sources are beneath contempt like Stormfront or Morning Star, but the Telegraph or the Guardian?  Come on.  It's one thing to point out what they've got wrong, but to simply dismiss them out of hand, well... it's a little convenient.  Easier than making a proper argument I suppose. 

I can’t watch the video tbh but reading the blurb they are drawing comparisons between 29 years in solitary confinement and “lockdown”, which was neither confinement nor solitary? Is that right?

They mention that because it is a seminal case study in the field of looking at the harms of isolation.

We know from simply looking at elderly decline that it doesn't have to be that extreme to be harmful.

Some kids won't recover

Clergs the anti-vaxer and active avoider of restrictions cynically pretending she cares for someone apart from herself when it happens to suit her deranged world-view #3492 

Have any of you read a copy of the Telegraph recently?  It’s all opinion because they seem to have given up on worrying about facts and are approaching Daily Star status.

Of course lockdown is harmful, in lots of ways.

Some people will be robust to it, others less so, depending on their mental state and their situation.

But there are of course situations where a lockdown would be justified, on balance.

And the issue here is what the right balance is.  Truth is this virus is borderline.  If it was going to kill 5 million in the UK guaranteed, bar a negligible % of people everyone would support a lockdown.  If it would only kill 10,000, it would barely get a column in the papers.

But it’s a bit in between that has so far killed about 150k with measures in place (we’ll never know what the unchecked figure would have been, realistically probably a lot more).  And you can argue that the lockdown has done more harm than good.

I don’t think this is an easy one for any administration despite how straightforward some people seem to think it all is.

Once again, name a paper you think is "better"

I have a better game. You google "list of UK national Newspapers", then eliminate the telegraph from your list and then pick one at random. It is very likely to be better than the tozzagrazza.

Hmm, nobody I know didn't think lockdown came at a cost.  People may have trivialized it at times, but I think that's part of the natural human process of rationalizing and adapting to adversity.  

I wish that there had been more reporting on the costs though during the event of lockdowns, all the press was so one sided until afew months ago and it is only now that they are even starting to talk about the issues. That may not be true in this forum, or within your social groups but wider population/extended family just blindly listened to the news which at no point mentioned the costs of lockdown (non financial), barely even acknowledged economic issues and that furlough was just masking unemployment to come. 

Most people have long acknowledged the harms and only true zealots like Chill and Chimp seek to deny and trivialise them. 

didn’t deny this - agreed with it in fact and then some studies came out saying suicides were down over lockdown though self reported depression was up

thought it was interesting so did a thread on it

didn’t deny or trivialise anything - just pointed to some interesting data 

(posted on the wrong thread)

Genuine question.

What is more anti semetic, people wearing yellow stars to claim that lockdown is akin to the Holocaust or BB taking the piss out of people who wear yellow stars for the reason above?

Seriously, interested in your answer. Not saying they can't both be out of line. Just wondering which is worse.

What is more anti semetic, people wearing yellow stars to claim that lockdown is akin to the Holocaust or BB taking the piss out of people who wear yellow stars for the reason above?
 

Gr7 question tbh

What is more anti semetic, people wearing yellow stars to claim that lockdown is akin to the Holocaust or BB taking the piss out of people who wear yellow stars for the reason above?

obviously the former royalty

but certain posters (understandably) don’t want to believe that their fellow posters would do the former and so would like to believe BB is just being racist for laughs

i remember when [certain racist poster who won’t be named] ended up being exposed as a massive antisemite on twitter and some posters (i think doggers (?)) simply couldn’t believe they had said that stuff

thats who BB is parodying 

and they are of course on here regularly (see king george, walter white rip etc)

Oh we get it perfectly 

some complete c-unt hides their own prejudices under an ironic facade 

because if it was meant to be nothing more than an ironic gammon type, there are plenty of things brexit brexit could post about, but doesn't. Because he would  find those things offensive himself 

it’s not just that ms r

i guarantee there are current rof posters who unironically post about yellow stars being equivalent to having to wear masks on twitter/facebook

but they’ll never admit it

and tbh i think it’s because often BB would rip the piss out of them if they even tried it

he’s done it before

i remember when there were brexit comments about violence coming down the line and BB would jump in every fvcking time with “I AGREE OF COURSE I ABHOR VIOLENCE BUT”

and then the brexiteers stopped (and started making comments about how boring and unfunny BB is)

Yes I understand perfectly that this completely unknown poster is pretending to be an ironic gammon 

I am simply saying that there are plenty of gammon prejudices they avoid, because those subjects would be offensive to him and people who's opinions he cares about 

he doesn't care about upsetting jews or brexiteers so that's fair game 

or on a lesser note he’d constantly go on about the “OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF 52/48” every time anyone would bring it up

and then brexiteer posters stopped talking about the majority being “overwhelming” (because of course it wasn’t)

(and again started making comments about how boring and unfunny BB is)

this is what he does

because if it was meant to be nothing more than an ironic gammon type, there are plenty of things brexit brexit could post about, but doesn't. Because he would  find those things offensive himself 
 

He posts about a lot of stuff.

I am simply saying that there are plenty of gammon prejudices they avoid, because those subjects would be offensive to him and people who's opinions he cares about 

I'm interested in an example to support this. 

he doesn't care about upsetting jews or brexiteers so that's fair game 

wel tbf he doesn’t care about upsetting brexiteers 

and the type of daily mail commenter he’s parodying doesn’t care about making comments about ((doris))

it’s a persona

Chimp there is absolutely nothing I could say on any topic that you would accept, so strangely enough I am not trying to make a "argument" you will find convincing 

And surely you giving examples won’t prompt him to post about those things since he would never do it since he’s only posting to air his secret prejudices and he’s not prejudiced about those unknown topics (think I’ve got that right)

not to speak for ms radlett, but i imagine she means he doesn’t share her views on trans / gc issues chimp and so doesn’t like being lumped in with the right on those

at least BB posts about gays (is probably closeted as a character in fact), Black/“urban” people and climate change all the time - so from a culture war perspective don’t think she’s talking about those

Trivialising the Holocaust is grossly offensive, especially as even now there are people who claim it never happened at all

Defending this because you 'don't like' me, a stranger on the internet is repugnant. Seriously get a grip 

Yes, it is offensive to trivialise the Holocaust. I don’t agree that BB is actually doing that though. I think he’s parodying people who do. This is a tough distinction, I know.

Is it strange Hargreaves? I mean why should I be driven out?

and I didn't actually accuse rof of anti Semitism. I said the proprietor told my husband jews like him are an embarrassment, which he did. You'd have to ask him what he meant by that, I didn't write it 

It's not a tough distinction, chimp, I just don't share your view 
 

OK, but you must acknowledge then that since I don’t agree with you that BB is trivialising the Holocaust I can hardly be said to be “defending” that “because I don’t like you”. Just total balls really. My view isn’t actually related to whether or not I “like” you.

I totally agree with the OP. The long term effects may be quite startling and suprising, and not in pleasant ways. We have failed to protect those who will live beyond us.

This board is pretty crap tho. Bunch of total twots arguing about the Holocaust. Get a fvcking life.

 

BB is absolutely trivialising the Holocaust. Whether it’s feigned parody or feigning not to be parody, that comment is deeply offensive to me. My children are 3rd gen Holocaust survivors, trivialising the Holocaust is offensive to me and my family.

I didn’t realise roffers were so interested in my holiday. 
Ive seen loads of waterfalls, I’ve been up the volcano, I’ve been to the blue lagoon, and whale watching, and for value out of the the exec lounge. 

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