Clergs will this change your mind on getting jabbed? Also if this is what Boris is saying imagine the SNP will be even more forcible re vaccines and they may be needed for the pub.

It means I 100% won't. No matter what. If coercion is seen to work it won't end.

I might have done in a couple of years for travel but now no way. Never. And even if they exclude me from venues they can't stop me socialising with other people who go there.

Also I'm pretty doubtful they can exclude fraud, clubs aren't border force

But back to the op

Gyms? Lectures? What else? 

To force people to do something that isn't in their own interests.

To a degree we are implementing a standard which is going to be applied the world over. Can't operate in isolation.

Yep hopefully gyms, lectures, pubs, restaurants, theatres, sports venues, offices.  Jab up or fvck off, unless you have a proper medical excuse (no religious or other bullshit objections).

Why? 

No reason, is the answer. Except nasty vindictiveness. You're angry that you're in shit enough health to fear covid and fook the 18 year olds who aren't how dare they.

Because the only way we're getting out of this shitshow is if everyone who can get jabbed, is jabbed.  Either they work fantastically, in which case great, or they don't, in which case we have to get on with it.  The only way permanent bullshit restrictions continue is if there's a light at the end of the tunnel.  We need finality.

I don't give a fvck about covid and probably would have let it rip m3

No, we don't ever get out this way. Vaccines for life. Annual boosters. Keep the passport green. 

It means showing your pass every single time you want to do one of the things that makes life worth living. And if your app crashes? Oh well fook off.

And every single person who receives a vaccine after today is going to be counted as a "win" for the coercion policy.

So, even if they become necessary for supermarkets, I'm not having a vaccine

How will you travel? They will ask for these at the airport even if you avoid these at home. 

Oh no, not annual boosters!  If it means no more one-way systems, masks, track and trace, two metre queues, school bubbles, empty stadiums, table service, zoom drinks and clapping then give me a jab a week.

The real solution is obviously to massively and permanently increase ICU capacity but actual investment in the NHS isn't happening with a Tory government.

I don't expect to travel again. I didn't before today.

Threepwood, if you think a life contingent on proving you have a vaccine against a disease that is harmless to almost everyone is worth living then fine. I don't. And there are enough people who feel the same to absolutely fook any attempt at it.

I doubt airlines will last much longer tbh. Certainly serving the UK.

So, even if they become necessary for supermarkets, I'm not having a vaccine

Well, you're going to be miserable and I'm genuinely sorry about that, but if you having to make that decision is the price for keeping children in nursery and school then that's an acceptable price.

Lol as if your kids are staying in school. They're not getting vaxxed so schools will be closed by November. And you'll blame me instead of yourself for colluding in the system that made it happen.

Threepwood, if you think a life contingent on proving you have a vaccine against a disease that is harmless to almost everyone is worth living then fine. I don't.

What is it about the act of showing your phone to a bouncer alongside your age ID that affects the experience of going to a nightclub?

And there are enough people who feel the same to absolutely fook any attempt at it.

FAOD I don't believe that vaccine passports will be a thing

It's not like unvaccinated people will stop existing, socialising, drinking with others. I already do most of my socialising in homes. 

They will - they have invested too much money not to put them online. And they'll want to secure uptake for future years.

You know how lateral flow tests are bullshit but still a thing.

That only with more compulsion.

Because fannies like you believe "vaccines are the only way out" of the mass psychosis.

Lol as if your kids are staying in school. They're not getting vaxxed so schools will be closed by November.

This is my point.  They wouldn't be closed if they were vaxxed, no matter how effective the vaccine is.  As long as they can say "just a few more months until we get everyone vaccinated", they will be able to shut down schools.  If we were >99% vaxxed, it wouldn't be possible.

Where everybody knows your name 

They're kicking off in Ireland next week 

Because fannies like you believe "vaccines are the only way out" of the mass psychosis.

What do you believe is the way out of the mass psychosis?  Bearing in mind reality for a chage.

It would be possible because you can still get sick when vaccinated and tbh the world is going to throw up some resistant strains by winter anyway

Or we could just conclude we've done enough re vaccinations and get on with our lives 

vaccination is only the "only way out" because it has been decided this 

vaccination is only the "only way out" because it has been decided this 

Exactly Linda.  It has to be tried now to prove or disprove it.

It doesn't have to be tried any more than facemasks or TWO METRES OUTSIDE PLEASE or closing park benches had to be tried. Adults of normal intelligence could say what the fook is this shit you deranged craven lunatics grow some fooking spine.

Er why?

we were told when the elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated we would crack on 

that was done months ago. The vaccine isn't licensed for children and if there is a decision to close schools pending vaccination of children, that will be yet more mission creep 

Er why?

Because it gives them an excuse

The anti-vaxxers really have lost the plot now.

Ah well, at least the clever can chin on.

There is always an excuse. Stop letting them think their fear is reasonable or live this way forever.

Who is them and what excuse?

if you think the government will stop the goalpost shifting if we just do this one more thing, you're deluded 

I also love how, after 19 months of gobbling down on restrictions, you're pretending "oh for mah kiddies", threepwood.

It's not just one more thing though, is it?  It's the only real possible solution to a viral pandemic other than letting it rip.  Once we're as fully vaxxed as can be, the proposition for more restrictions very clearly becomes 'these restrictions are forever' in a way that doesn't apply if there is still a large chunk of the population yet to be vaxxed.

I’ve laminated my vaccine card to carry in my wallet so I’m not reliant on technology.

Fewer than 10% of the adult population haven't had a first vaccine yet

Many of those are no longer in the country because they were international students or workers

In what sense have I "gobbled down" my kids being sent home?  Should I have sent them to an empty school?

Remember that all indications show most people want restrictions to be forever.

You could have, say, said something other than oh well greater good greater good

I did say that m7.  What now?

I mean I did say something other than that.  I said it was bullshit.

One jab is not enough you screaming gibbon

Did you say it to friends, family, political representatives? Did you ignore the mad restrictions on outdoor activities and social contact for kids? Or did you mostly keep quiet?

Cookie, I get it, you are terrified and like to shriek at people who aren't. 

But why do you think people who have had one vaccine require to be coerced into attending for the second?

Heh. Has your therapist explained to you how your extreme fear manifests itself? Plainly not.

It’s cuck o’clock!

I keep getting texts to tell me to bring my second dose forward and there are never any appointments 

Did you say it to friends, family, political representatives? Did you ignore the mad restrictions on outdoor activities and social contact for kids? Or did you mostly keep quiet?
 

Yes, yes to the extent that other kids’ parents would also do so and no. 

Once we stop with the daily stats nonsense and are reporting a handful of cases a month people will let restrictions slide.

Cookie - I don't have a therapist because I'm not completely roll on the floor gaga I'm just a bit melancholic sometimes. 

Saillaw - they really won't.

In fact, stop doing wrong optimistic predictions!!

Like I said, melancholic. 

you wouldn't get a vaccine because you felt it was of no personal benefit to you, and now that it looks like it will be of personal benefit to you, you won't get it because.... DISCUSS

Oxymoron is short for……?

you are terrified and like to shriek at people who aren't
 

Hmm.

It still isn't of personal benefit to me and to take it would now add disbenefit by displaying support for authoritarian coerciveness.

🤡

I add disbenefit all the time tbf tbf

Millennials will ruin this country in the name of progress

Had zero impact on lovemaking so far

Or chugging quality wines

Or fresh seafood

Hang on he says nightclubs and large crowds so I’m guessing passport will just be venues over say 2,000 which means only the biggest clubs.

AND IT HAS A YELLOW STAR! OH MY GOODNESS, HOW ON EARTH DID THAT GET THERE. I GUESS IT'S OKAY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WRITE YELLOW STAR?

Funny how he keeps neing accidentally anti-Semitic!

”Stamping you in your face” ffs

Oh noooo not a harmless jab that will help get us out of this sh1tshow!!!!!!oneone1111!
 

Do one.

clergs you realise the premise of the OP is entirely inconsistent with your assertion that kids aren’t going to be vaccinated (noting that they have already announced that, in fact, kids are going to be vaccinated)?

I’m so glad that someone has stepped up to the plate to give RoF its BennyG fix

I actually despair that intelligent, well educated lawyers posting on this site are anti-vaccers

absolutely extraordinary and really depressing

No-one on here is anti-vax, it’s just that there will never be a vaccine  it isn’t safe it won’t work I just won’t take this vaccine because reasons.