Thing about electric cars, the more batteries they have, the more power they have available. It is like doubling the size of your petrol tank doubling your acceleration.
So any car with a decent range is going to have great acceleration, unless they choose to limit it.
It costs over £100K and will do less than 400 miles. Realistically you are searching for a charger by 300 miles.
I sometimes need to drive 600 miles in a day.
Correct me if I am wrong, but electric cars are far away from being a realistic means of transport for most people. And there is no reason to think they will get very much cheaper or better .
I had a look at the web site and all the models look the same. Are there actually differences or are is it a case of you can't see the stuff that differentiates them?
KG they are for a lot of people who are just doing the school run and pottering to a local shop and back and the like. A lot of my parents' friends now have an electric car for the local journeys and then a petrol car for the occasions they go off further afield. It would certainly make sense for me at the moment as by and large the longest journey I do is about 10 miles.
There is always some tede on these threads who lies about having to regularly drive hundreds of miles, which *of course* means electric cars are completely impractical and a waste of money for all.
1. Not all (in fact very few) people driving their own cars have to drive above 100 miles a day
2. Those that do regularly, agreed, should probably not get an electric car.
3. Those that do on occasion can just plan ahead and book a charge point
4. No one who purports to live in the UK regularly has to drive 600 miles in one day, and if they do, they presumably need to, at the least, stop for a piss, at which point they could recharge their car
Correct me if I am wrong, but electric cars are far away from being a realistic means of transport for most people. And there is no reason to think they will get very much cheaper or better ."
Well the average car journey in the UK is 8.4 miles. For most folks who just need a runabout, we must be getting well into quite practical ranges for most use cases. Probably still not the best for mile-munching sales reps etc.
Agreed, there is a market for vehicles that can manage 20 mile journeys in decent comfort, if they can be affordable.
A petrol car was fine for nipping to Tesco, or driving to Loch Ness. Electric cars cost twice the money but for less functionality and similar lifetime CO2 emissions.
Maybe we will all have little short-range e-vehicles one day. But then if you want to drive across Europe or go on holiday to Scotland you take a coach or train, or else hire something with massive batteries (maybe swapping it for a charged one along the way). Having a two tonne monster for the school run makes no sense. A Tesla S weighs close to twice a Renault Clio, but the Clio is a better option for a long trip and less than half the price, despite being unsubsidised.
By the way Johnny, the average British car does about 30 miles per day, on average. Some days nil. Other days, a lot.
Your 8.4 miles per trip figure is the median, not the average. I cannot find a figure for the average, but it must be several times 8.4 miles, as it will include some 500 mile plus trips.
Of course they are not pancakes. Nobody implied they were.
Still it is interesting to speculate what life holds in store in 13.5 years when petrol vehicles are banned from sale. E-vehicles seem unlikely to be a realistic like for like replacement, on grounds of cost and practicality, quite apart from the inability of the power grid to support mass electric vehicles. Something new will have to come along.
Or it is possible the government of the day will push back the deadline, again and again.
If there's one thing that economics and history teach us, it's that increasing the scale of production never makes things cheaper and competition never leads to technical improvements.
The consumer choice is, and always will be, between a VW Golf diesel and a Tesla Model S Plaid hypercar.
You are very optimistic that after 220 years of development we are about to see a big breakthrough in battery tech. I hope you are right.
But there has been mass production of e-vehicles for 10 years now. They may get a bit cheaper with further volume growth, but they need to halve in price to be competitive, and conventional vehicles also get better each year with technical development.
The gap looks too big to close. Some technologies are just better than others, like subsonic aeroplanes are better than supersonic for mass transport. Of course the urban air quality issue is the one big one where e-vehicles are vastly superior.
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looked it up and it’s another spaceballs joke apparently
Musk steals the Apple trick of giving your versions twottily cute names
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Their Roadster does the same 0-60 and then goes on to top 250mph (faster than an f1 car's top speed) and it still fits families of four..
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Thing about electric cars, the more batteries they have, the more power they have available. It is like doubling the size of your petrol tank doubling your acceleration.
So any car with a decent range is going to have great acceleration, unless they choose to limit it.
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It costs over £100K and will do less than 400 miles. Realistically you are searching for a charger by 300 miles.
I sometimes need to drive 600 miles in a day.
Correct me if I am wrong, but electric cars are far away from being a realistic means of transport for most people. And there is no reason to think they will get very much cheaper or better .
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I love fast cars, but they are becoming pointless on UK roads. The Plaid S is more of a fairground ride than a useful vehicle !
Re the comparison to F1 cars, I think some older F1 cars were faster accelerating ?
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I had a look at the web site and all the models look the same. Are there actually differences or are is it a case of you can't see the stuff that differentiates them?
KG they are for a lot of people who are just doing the school run and pottering to a local shop and back and the like. A lot of my parents' friends now have an electric car for the local journeys and then a petrol car for the occasions they go off further afield. It would certainly make sense for me at the moment as by and large the longest journey I do is about 10 miles.
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All about the R1S.
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There is always some tede on these threads who lies about having to regularly drive hundreds of miles, which *of course* means electric cars are completely impractical and a waste of money for all.
1. Not all (in fact very few) people driving their own cars have to drive above 100 miles a day
2. Those that do regularly, agreed, should probably not get an electric car.
3. Those that do on occasion can just plan ahead and book a charge point
4. No one who purports to live in the UK regularly has to drive 600 miles in one day, and if they do, they presumably need to, at the least, stop for a piss, at which point they could recharge their car
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Well the average car journey in the UK is 8.4 miles. For most folks who just need a runabout, we must be getting well into quite practical ranges for most use cases. Probably still not the best for mile-munching sales reps etc.
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Agreed, there is a market for vehicles that can manage 20 mile journeys in decent comfort, if they can be affordable.
A petrol car was fine for nipping to Tesco, or driving to Loch Ness. Electric cars cost twice the money but for less functionality and similar lifetime CO2 emissions.
Maybe we will all have little short-range e-vehicles one day. But then if you want to drive across Europe or go on holiday to Scotland you take a coach or train, or else hire something with massive batteries (maybe swapping it for a charged one along the way). Having a two tonne monster for the school run makes no sense. A Tesla S weighs close to twice a Renault Clio, but the Clio is a better option for a long trip and less than half the price, despite being unsubsidised.
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I literally never drive more than 300 miles in a day
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And do you have somewhere you can recharge, at both ends of that trip?
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By the way Johnny, the average British car does about 30 miles per day, on average. Some days nil. Other days, a lot.
Your 8.4 miles per trip figure is the median, not the average. I cannot find a figure for the average, but it must be several times 8.4 miles, as it will include some 500 mile plus trips.
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no-one's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy an electric car m8
the tyranny of taking 20 minute break every 200 miles on the road is one you will not have to suffer
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Of course they are not pancakes. Nobody implied they were.
Still it is interesting to speculate what life holds in store in 13.5 years when petrol vehicles are banned from sale. E-vehicles seem unlikely to be a realistic like for like replacement, on grounds of cost and practicality, quite apart from the inability of the power grid to support mass electric vehicles. Something new will have to come along.
Or it is possible the government of the day will push back the deadline, again and again.
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If there's one thing that economics and history teach us, it's that increasing the scale of production never makes things cheaper and competition never leads to technical improvements.
The consumer choice is, and always will be, between a VW Golf diesel and a Tesla Model S Plaid hypercar.
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You are very optimistic that after 220 years of development we are about to see a big breakthrough in battery tech. I hope you are right.
But there has been mass production of e-vehicles for 10 years now. They may get a bit cheaper with further volume growth, but they need to halve in price to be competitive, and conventional vehicles also get better each year with technical development.
The gap looks too big to close. Some technologies are just better than others, like subsonic aeroplanes are better than supersonic for mass transport. Of course the urban air quality issue is the one big one where e-vehicles are vastly superior.
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Why tf do you drive 600 miles in a day?
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Regular holiday trip wang. Do the return trip several times a year.
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