things will never be back to normal
a perfectly no… 22 May 20 16:20
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I've been thinking about whether I can make changes that will make things bearable (this would require leaving Scotland at least) but all the pieces are so uncertain.

I think it would be ok to die of something this year, to be honest. Avoid the onslaught.

Most things are a cycle. But what is new is that people now expect security and comfort without having to win it. I think that's brand new in the history of our species.

I guess a new normal I would rate would be if things I liked were open, I still had a job and my pay hadn't been cut by 1/5th but like half of people were still cowardly arseholes so I could just saunter about enjoying things like it was the 80s.

Well, panda, we've accepted the precedent that human rights don't exist

So the law is going to fundamentally change for a start

All tests of reasonableness and proportionality are out the window

The entire country has been under severe restrictions for two months and will be for several more at least

There is legislation before parliament that will empower forced two week quarantine of entire streets, schools and offices

In prisons, covid symptoms mean you're locked in your cell and not allowed out even to wash

People have been forbidden to see dying family, even children 

It is illegal to practice your faith if that faith requires attending a particular place

It is illegal to run your business

It is illegal to be with your friends or family if you don't live with them

We are looking at a wasteland where our core values used to stand

I wonder if the odds of drinking water that once passed through the fuhrers phallus are higher or lower than a moderately healthy adult dying of covid in a given period?

There is shitloads of water about and over your life you will only ingest a tiny %. Multiply that by the odds of the same water having been pissed (vs through sweat or other) by a person who lived for c.56 years.

My bet is on covid death.

Laz’s normalcy bias?

Seriously m8 - Quite liked your optimism. What happened?

Things will get back to something like normal eventually. Prob early next yr. And quite a lot of changes will be beneficial. There will be big repricings as different things are valued in different ways than before. Lots of creative destruction.

  • Things have changed and won't unchange.
  • There's a lot of pain coming and it will last.
  • Most people will get poorer.
  • Best off getting gidge-lite outside the city.
  • Hunker down and stay lean.

“We are looking at a wasteland where our core values used to stand”

In other ‘no one will die because of lockdown’ news, 80 million vaccinations have been stopped and the WHO has suspended its polio vaccination programmes 

I think that attitudes towards self-preservation will change indefinitely, possibly forever.

People will encourage elderly relatives to stay at home generally for months on end during winter.

WFH will become a bit more accepted in some industries but don’t think that businesses will desert traditional office spaces en masse. 

Completely agree Clergs.  But people who think their own opinion are a replacement for evidence on purely factual matters (as opposed to the policy response to situation) are the thickest of the lot.

The entire world is in thrall to scientists who are causing us permanent harm. I think that those of us who survive will be the unlucky ones.

So why on earth would any sentient person trust what they say?

Tell you what, GSM - I'll do that when you tell me specifically which bits of the IPCC reports you think are subject to personal bias, and give the evidence for your reasoning.

Do you think objecting to the total destruction of what we knew is akin to anti vaxx?

Do you think it's "crazy" to be sad that we have completely abandoned everything that made life worth living even though hardly anyone will be harmed by Coronavirus? 

Honestly? Not even 1% of you thinks "I guess that is a bit much"?

A propos of nothing, the vaccine that was rushed out for sars in Europe was subsequently withdrawn after it was found to cause nerve damage. Scientists found that out. 

No, Clergs, but I think suggesting that all scientists can't be trusted on anything, including anthropogenic climate change, because of what is going on at the moment is akin to anti-vaxx.

Ah, GSM I think I see the issue here.  You are labouring under the misapprehension that I give a fuck what you think.  Clergs has demonstrated over many years that she is highly intelligent, so it was in the past worth discussing topics like climate change with her, but I don't waste my time debating with morons anymore.

"True, but I find a reasonably good test as to whom the stupid people are is whether they ignore scientific consensus."

Wow. Where to even begin? Miasma? The impossibility of breaking the sound barrier? Some patent clerk challenging the musings of a 17th century wig wearing apple bothering alchemist? A classic brain fart of the type who worship "science" without understanding what science is.