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When will these morons learn?

William Wragg: Tory gave MPs' numbers to dating app contact, report says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68731683

But sharing 

But be kind

But reaching out
 

But dumb as fvck

because he he as given away his colleagues private numbers to a scam artist  risky several of whom appear to have fallen for it themselves, I would say that is a nailed on resignation point wouldnt you?

I don’t think this is a resignation matter. He’s been weak and foolish but it does seem he was afraid and being blackmailed. Just giving out a number isn’t really that bad. 

you are being blackmailed by a scammer so you give him the numbers of your colleagues so he can do the same to them and you say it is not a resignation matter?  You have lost the plot Crypto m7.

There was a GP who met a man on one of these apps. The man began to blackmail him into giving him prescriptions. The GP was suspended for a few months but overwhelmingly his patients supported him and he returned to his surgery. I don’t think this is any different. Blackmail is a criminal offence for a reason, Guy. 

Guy Crouchback05 Apr 24 07:51

but no doubt he will follow the modus operandi of making everything worse by trying to cling on to mounting incredulity until the inevitable happens.

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I'm looking forward to the bit (should be mid afternoon?) when it comes out that he wasn't even blackmailed, just handed out a load of numbers to help his new lover get ahead in their journo career

love this quote 

staunch China hawk Bob Seely told Newsnight that the sting was “crude enough to be the Russians,” but that “the Chinese tend to be more sophisticated.” He added: “I’m hoping [Wragg] hasn’t handed over my number. It sounds like a gay honey trap.”

Crypto you are spectacularly missing the point here.  Wragge was being blackmailed, so he knew Mr X was a scammer.  Rather than  facing the music, as he has been forced to today when he knew the game was up, Wragge gave Mr X private colleagues numbers to save his own skin in full knowledge Mr X would try to do the same to them.   Your attempts to excuse this do not look good m7 I am not sure if it is extreme partisanship or a faulty moral compass?

it will come out eventually that he gave more information than just phone numbers.  We'll find that out that he has deleted all the messages.

I had to look back through the thread for the "homophobia", not sure I can find it.

Guy Crouchback05 Apr 24 08:10

Wragge gave Mr X private colleagues numbers to save his own skin in full knowledge Mr X would try to do the same to them.   Your attempts to excuse this do not look good m7 I am not sure if it is extreme partisanship or a faulty moral compass?

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just to add that Wragg unsuccessfully tried to oust Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle for much less just a couple of weeks ago 

Guy it’s how blackmail works. If everyone simply fessed up there would be no point in doing it! 

Eddie if that’s true then it’s another matter but no suggestion at this stage. 

Guy victim blaming isn’t a good look and I’d expect better from you.

Folks, if you ever wanted to see an attempt at gaslighting, here it is.

Wragg is not a victim, he is a moron.  I would have expected as an MP and Vice Chair of the 1922 committee, his first port of call the moment the blackmail revealed itself should have been to the police.  Instead, he thought he could cover it up and comply with the blackmailers.  

I quite like Seely. Whenever he’s on the lunchtime politics he spends most of his time bent double in agony over the facile question he’s just been asked or what one of the other panellists has said. 

Not really they are all stupid for interacting with someone that they don't remember but who claims to know them.  Even more foolish if they did it on actual personal phones rather than their MP numbers as any random approach based on your work as an MP should be directed to your official phone number and e-mail which would put off most scammers.  I've had a couple of these over the years even as a dull middle aged solicitor and most are so unsophisticated that you just block them as they rely on access to your social media to circulate stuff to your friends.  Naturally the rule is also only to do stuff by text and social media that you don't mind becoming public knowledge.

The op asks when will morons learn 

The whole thing about morons - their brand proposition no less - is their moronicity. They will not learn. 

He looks like he has only timeshare interest in the family brain cell. 

I can only assume that their induction doesn't include a chat on not giving your mobile number to and not interacting on it with anyone that you haven't known for at least a year or longer.

It very clearly should be a resignation matter on the principles of honour of nothing else, chucking others under the bus rather than fronting up that he had been had and was being blackmailed. It won’t be though. 

Also, it has nothing to do with anyone being millennial 

Still waiting to hear what exactly the scammer had on him.  If its serious enough to make it understandable that he would complying their the blackmailer's demands, its probably enough to force his resignation anyway.

If it was just simply nude photos and a kinky but legal request, then obviously someone in his position should have the courage and character to say no and face the music.  If he couldn't, then he obviously can't be trusted in the position of an MP  

Remind all of your children that if they must send people naked photos make sure they're headless against a bland background that can't be identified as being in their home.

Warren has it.  

 

Crypto I disagree with you on almost everything but you do not strike me as stupid so I will assume you are being deliberately obtuse/trolling.

Grey Area05 Apr 24 11:11

It very clearly should be a resignation matter on the principles of honour of nothing else, chucking others under the bus rather than fronting up that he had been had and was being blackmailed. It won’t be though. 

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yeah, but he is stepping down at the GE so unlikely he'll call a bi election now

yeah, but he is stepping down at the GE so unlikely he'll call a bi election now

EXACTLY!!

AND HE WOULD MISS OUT ON MORE TAXPAYER MONEY IF HE RESIGNED NOW!!

HASN’T HE SUFFERED ENOUGH?!?

"The chancellor has praised a Tory MP for apologising after he admitted he gave other MPs' personal phone numbers to someone on a dating app.

Jeremy Hunt said William Wragg had been "courageous" in telling the Times he was sorry for the "hurt" he had caused."

Heh,  Hunt channeling the spirit of Crypto and Risky here to troll the nation.   They are surely now just taking the piss?

Seriously, Guy, you know the human condition is frail. You're a man of the world (or at least The Savoy). People think with their dicks from time to time. 

Blackmail is an offence because of how insidious it is and how it makes people act. Sure, if all victims of blackmail simply fessed up it would never work. But people don't. That is why is is exploited by ruthless blackmailers and has been since time immemorial. 

Would you like your Savoy (or maybe saveloy) pics spread over the world? Even worse if you're a high profile individual like Wragg. 

Crypto   I could not give a shit about whatever his sexual picadilllos are and if he had fallen for blackmail for cash I would sympathise.   However, there is a huge difference between giving into blackmail by handing over your own cash and giving into blackmail by handing over details of colleagues in the full knowledge that he would try the same on them.   The first is weak and probably unwise but understandable the second is pretty awful behaviour.

The details were phone numbers. That hardly seems like a state secret. That some of the men involved then sent the blackmailer their own nuddy pics shows just how weak many people can be. This really isn't the Profumo Scandal, despite Sir Beer (the will known hypocrite) trying to make it into the same. 

Dont worry, the Chancellor considers him "courageous".  They obviously hope this will blow over without the need for a by-election.   Its fairly standard for this government.  I have stopped caring really, they are going to crash and burn whatever they do.

I am surprised that giving out MPs' phone numbers without their consent, and particularly to someone you know or suspect to be a criminal, isn't a breach of something (tory party rules, code of conduct for MPs?).  If it isn't, it should be.  

I would tend to agree that, while it might be embarassing enough to make him want to leave public life, it is not strictly a matter requiring resignation.

His wrong here was against his fellow MPs but his duties as a Member are not to them, they're to his constituents. Having done the wrong thing by other people who happen to be MPs does not impugn his right to office.

I actually agree w risky that he will probably not resign. 

His wrong here was against his fellow MPs but his duties as a Member are not to them, they're to his constituents. Having done the wrong thing by other people who happen to be MPs does not impugn his right to office.

If handing out your colleagues numbers to a known blackmailer is not sufficiently lacking integrity to be unacceptable for a member of parliament the standards of integrity we expect from members of parliament is too low.   Further if I handed out all my colleagues personal numbers to somebody I knew would use them to try to cause them harm in an effort to save my own skin from my own stupidity I would be too embarrassed to show my face in work again.  But perhaps standards we expect are so low these days and the lack of shame and responsibility so all encompassing that he will get away with it.  A generation ago he would have resigned on the spot without question. Extraordinary what we know consider acceptable.

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