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7 Aid Workers (3 UK) Killed in Israeli Strike in Gaza

Doesn't seem to be a thread on this:

World Central Kitchen halts operations in Gaza after strike kills staff (bbc.com)

 

Predictions: Calls for a ceasefire will get louder.  Even the Biden admin will join in.  Israel will ignore this and carry on with its operations.  

 

This, like every other atrocity caused by the IDF since 7 October, will be met with disapproval by the usual US Government spokesmen and will then become old news due to the occurrence of the next atrocity. Nothing can stop Israel except Biden and he seems to feel that he can still provide cover for his Israeli pals without risking loss of votes. 

Yes, well, these people’s age old conflict is beyond our comprehension, so this cannot come entirely as a surprise. What is it about the modern grievance obsessed world that means people aren’t satisfied by successive horrors. What do people want and need to see - gas ovens and mushroom clouds. Because if that’s what you want..

 

Bertha - will you please stop with that line. If you want to concede that it’s beyond your comprehension, go ahead. But this conflict is not as complicated as you appear to want others to believe. 

Pretty precisely targeted strike, looks from the hole in the roof like they were hit with those local kill guided munitions that just use kinetic energy rather than explosives & fragmentation to kill everyone in a vehicle without wider civilian causalities.  Three cars, three penetrators.  This wasn't some accidental collateral damage or a hurried military strike by mistake, some serious and competent  Israeli organization deliberately intended to kill the specific people in those three cars.

Interesting to see what the Israeli's say, perhaps they genuinely thought it was a terrorist convoy, perhaps they actually had good legitimate reason to kill these people, or at least some of them.  I suspect even if it was the later they will take the easy route and say it was an accident (though they will no doubt make the true information known to the relevant governments via channels).   

Connect the dots that you can’t trust the IDF who now think everyone in Gaza is a terrorist.

Bertha it’s eluded greater minds because nobody will challenge the view having been persecuted once gives you a get out of jail free card for generations.

Interesting to see what the Israeli's say, perhaps they genuinely thought it was a terrorist convoy, perhaps they actually had good legitimate reason to kill these people, or at least some of them.  I suspect even if it was the later they will take the easy route and say it was an accident (though they will no doubt make the true information known to the relevant governments via channels).

Would these be the same “good legitimate reasons” as those for bombing schools, refugee camps, hospitals, homes, mosques & churches etc? What is your good faith in the IDF & Israeli government based on, surely not on its actions in Gaza these last six months?

And that sort of analysis sails goes a long way to explaining the paralysis of the apathetic and uninformed. As per

What explains the paralysis of the apathetic and uninformed is people like you shutting down conversation with “it’s complicated” in an effort to stifle others from learning about what has led to the current conflict.

But those days are now gone. One thing that the Israeli Government has achieved is a level of global awareness of their callous, oppressive, deceitful and genocidal behaviours. Unfortunately, they’ve done irreparable harm to Israel’s image and to the interests of Jews worldwide by claiming to be acting on behalf of Jewish people.

I’m doing quite the opposite, and always telling people to look at the history not get caught up in the emotion of the present. You simply don’t like it when your ballsaching style of discussion fails to get the result you want. 

Ooops seems they tracked them over a mile and half from first shot to last shot and fired the final shot as they were trying to load the wounded from the first and second vehicles into the third.  Seems it was the classic "ooh there's a man with a gun in a vehicle near the convoy that has nothing to do with it so instead of targeting him we'll blow up the rest of the clearly marked convoy following a pre-agreed route".  There should be a big fvcking board on the wall of the ops room of "people we do not blow up today".

“These people” 

Are you really this dense? You said:

“The UN isn’t powerless at all. You just don’t like the US. It’s the world’s only superpower these days, thank god. And god save us from the Arabs and Israelis alike.”

Are you saying that all Arabs are responsible for this conflict?

Suggests more at play

Does it? Where and in what way? The Brits were ex-military employed by the security firm and working with WCK. This article says that the employer has carried out an investigation into the death of three employees

It's hard to tell really.  I've seen one version which says the aid agencies contact high command who then pass the information down and change the rules of engagement for the relevant area so quite plausible that the message had got lost and hadn't got to the drone department but that just seems very careless with important time critical information.  There's also a suggestion that a trigger happy drone operator fired without clearance which would show a clear break down of the chain of command but provide a handy scapegoat.  My money is on a combination of both of those and more which certainly paint the IDf as trigger happy and careless at best.

If Israel attacked the convoy deliberately they deserve all the negative consequences that flow from it but if it is an accident, however hard that is to believe for the armchair activists of RoF, then it is not much different from the countless innocent people killed by the US and UK and others in Iran, Libya and Afghanistan which were put down to accidents and not questioned beyond that. And something like 140 aid workers have been killed in Gaza so far from what I have read so this isn’t even unique. Basically it should be investigated but the endless focus on it is over the top and achieving nothing.

I wait for the inevitable abuse.

Not abuse Chuffy…more like sadness and disappointment that you could be aware of so many (and it’s nearer to 200) aid workers plus the 100 or so journalists not to mention all the hospitals, churches, bakeries, schools etc that have all been hit and still give Israel the benefit of the doubt.

I’m not giving them the benefit of the doubt for everything Gorlami, just this one particular hit and noting the disproportionate coverage it is getting. And I am reserving judgment on it anyway until the full facts come out (if they ever do).

@Chuffy  The point is that this was white British people getting killed by the Israelis.  For the media class that's very different than some brown people getting killed.  There's where your disproportionate coverage comes from.

Wot Gorlami said, the need for scrutiny is made more and  not less by the prior deaths which didn’t even merit investigation apparently 

As has been highlighted in recent WH briefings, the line that “we asked the Israeli government for clarification “  worked months ago but nothing further is heard and saying it now has gone waaaay past threadbare and  just sounds embarrassing and disingenuous 

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