he is becoming a rentavoice for the BBC and that's beginning to do him no favours, and today's seemed a little out of focus. He was making a case, without wanting to say it out loud, based on the UK Gov's moral obligation to uphold international law in respect of the disproportionality of Israel's actions, while recognising that no private law right existed which could cause anyone to sue the UK Government to mandate any particular response. It was all a bit tricky. Yet still his clarity of expression and comprehensive intellectual horizon are still a joy to listen to. I like him and respect his views. I think the questions and his answers today made for odd radio.
I learned from Wikipedia that he was bottom of his class at Eton aged 15. Yet he is unarguably one of the country's finest minds. I wonder what the epiphanic event was. Someone clearly identified the learning profile and unlocked him. Bravo to that person
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Today - 04/04/2024 - BBC Sounds
1hr.44min.30sec
Was about the letter to the "unfolding catastrophe" letter from lawyers and former judges to the Gov. What led him to sign the letter...
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Obligation on UK Gov under International law (Art 1) to do what they can to avoid genocide
Not yet clear if Israel's actions are genocide, he says... erm
If he doesn't take action can an action be brought against the government? No.
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I thought we’d had enough of experts
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Sorry, if the Gov doesn't take action.... No he says, no legal remedy as no justiciable cause.
Then a lot of (right) moral condemnation of actions taken.
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there are limits to self defence. Yes, we know.
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This is really a political question not a legal one, which is why lawyers no matter how clever are not well placed to opine.
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I think he made that abundantly clear.
Lawyer invited to comment on why he signed a letter criticising the Government. Lawyer says this is the law. Interviewer says so is there a remedy in law. Lawyer says no not really, but really they should do the right thing.
You are right Guy.
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Thing is, does he honestly think anyone listening is in a position to influence what’s happening? Or that the wider populace cares what he thinks? To most he’s just another out of touch judge who likes the sound of his own voice.
Who is speaking up for ordinary people in our country today?
Is it Work Experience, the over privileged second gen immigrant who thinks he’s doing us a favour by being in politics?
Is it Brave Sir Keir, the worthy but stuffy self made upper middle class who sounds like something out of Crown Court?
Is it Loony Liz, recidivist sex dungeon worker with the manic glare?
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I heard that in the voice of the intro from Hong Kong Phooey. Is it Penry, the mild mannered janitor?
COULD BE!!
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Precisely as it was intended, thank you.
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is it Rees-Mogg the cast reject from the Munsters?
Is it Farage, the poisonous race toad?
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Naaaaaah
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Completely ham fisted summary of what was actually said in the interview.
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Always had a lot of respect for Sumption after he broke from the General establishment consensus on lockdown “harder, faster, stronger” and risked his reputation to criticise it
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Amazed anyone listens to the Today programme anymore - it's bloody awful.
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Sumption is undoubtedly brilliant when as a barrister he was told what case to argue. He is a utter disaster when arguing for what he actually thinks. Massively Intelligent yet deeply unwise, he's absolutely destroyed his legacy with his lunatic pandering to far right libertarian extremism during the Covid pandemic. Richard Dawkins is one of a similar ilk.
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Absolutely. He'll never be invited to speak on the BBC for example.
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"far right libertarianism"
oh dear me.
What did he say about lockdown: governments should not be in the business of locking down citizens against their will for public health reasons. If the concern is that vulnerable people will be put at risk by people going about their business then that is easily addressed by those vulnerable people shielding if they wish. They can lock down. The rest can go about their business if they wish. This protects the vulnerable and the economy. Mandatory lockdowns cause damage the economy without justifcation. "
He was right.
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heh @ eeyore
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Well that’s all very well but you’d laugh if he’d caught covid in a pret wouldn’t you.
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That wasn’t the controversial bit, which was when he (very logically) expanded on this by essentially saying that society couldn’t stop just because of Covid fannies. Or as he put it
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jan/17/jonathan-sumption-cancer-patient-life-less-valuable-others
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If I had stage 4 cancer I would not be demanding society locked down to protect me and then complaining to the Guardian as someone had hurt my feelings.
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Good for you, elephant.
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I must admit that moment with the late "bowel babe" has become so iconic that I did immediately picture Sumption arguing with a Palestine supporter
"I didn't say the lives of people in Gaza weren't valuable ...
I said they were LESS valuable"
I was a fan of his LD shtick but that was a car crash
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Does anyone else (apart from possibly Mutters)think that the only really really really interesting thing revealed here is how someone so widely recognised as brilliant ever found themselves at the bottom of their class.
Wasn’t Einstein also very ordinary as a young man?
Churchill too?
Any other precedents?
Next time Sumption is interviewed that should be the first question and then thoroughly explored.
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Bottom of the class at Eton though innit
Probably not rock bottom in any real sense of the word
Similar for Churchill probably
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I’m guessing that even at Eton class size is probably 15/20. Granted if it’s actually class size of 2 or 3 there may be force in your point.
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School. Christ. As a measure of intelligence? It’s a jungle out there
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It does seem a very ROF/lawyer or maybe teacher kind of perspective
The idea that performance at school in the teens is somehow a magic predictor of later success, and that succeeding greatly in later life at something cerebrally based after mediocrity at school is a miracle, is one that was very much drummed into me at school but after 40 years of life I very firmly believe it to be bullsh1t
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Yes well you need to bear in mind that on here ppl are shit scared of being found out, so will pray in aid any old natural selection
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What I would readily agree with is the proposition that being ‘top of the class’ at a young age is a predictor of very much.
I do find it considerably more fascinating that someone whose performance was so underwhelming found within himself an ability or a realisation of his potential so overwhelming.
Of George Best, where did it all go wrong?
of Sumption, where did it all go right?
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Different times of life call for different forms of intelligence. Ask any rof cheeky chappy. Many have fallen from their perch.
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I was fairly mediocre until about 13. Some may say that I’ve declined since.
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I know Sumption is rubbish at maths. But he said himself that at 15 he was fed up of being bottom of the class and decided to put the hours in. So presumably it's laziness.
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Oh come on, haven’t most of us on here done pretty well for ourselves despite being fundamentally lazy? Effortless brillliance etc.
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I related to the issue. I struggled at school due to a neurodivergency issue then at A level, degree and postgrad, where insight trumped memory to some degree (save bar finals which were rote crap) it came right fir me. The Sumption point wasnt really really interesting. But it was of interest to me. Clearly traditional teaching did not work for him. Then his mind emerged out of that straight jacket. He has a fine mind.
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