The numerous ROFers who were initially so uncritically and credulously supportive of Israel’s obviously indiscriminate assault on the civilian population of Gaza
Deletion of accounts would be perhaps a tad severe, but it obvious now that there is no justification whatsoever for this madness by the IDF in seeking to eviscerate Gaza and it’s unfortunate citizens.
A short sharp retaliation was justified. Not this wanton destruction.
You’ve been at this game too long to be that naive Laz. You know that it’s just a matter of laying low and relying on short memories or, more likely, arguing that they have not shown support for Israel’s actions at any point and a demand for “receipts or fvck off”
I don’t think it is that, gorlami. They are all still chest out meat shields. Totally captured. Incapable of independent thought. AFAIK not one of them has expressed any regret or even reservations about the civilian deaths despite explicit invitations to do so.
One day you're a Centrist Dad, you're in the gang, everything you say is backed up by the gang, then one slip and you're "at the extreme end" and a "meatshield".
As long as Israel is claiming it's not a genocidal maniac there'll be people arguing Israel is not a genocidal maniac even though you can see with your own eyes that Israel is a genocidal maniac. At this point it's a threat to global peace and tanks need to roll in for regime change and this truly would be an intervention on humanitarian grounds.
RR - I returned to ROF after a 15+ year hiatus in October (for which I’m sure you’re grateful). It took me a month to realise who Laz and Clergs were. I haven’t yet had the time or inclination to figure out who is posting under which sock puppet names
As Tom says, it would be most interesting to know those individuals’ views today and whether there’s been any movement, any retraction, any sense of remorse, anything. I had so many skirmishes with silly Davos on this.
And while you’re here YWTF, care to provide an update as to whether you’ve changed your mind on anything? Have the thousands of dead humans managed to convince you yet that we might actually be the bad guys here?
I find it very difficult to care that much about two sets of religious zealots in a situation which will never change.
It seems clear to me that Hamas’s murderous terror was impossible to justify, as are Israel’s clear war crimes. I’ve said this before. What more do you want?
I can’t see how anyone can demand a ceasefire without it being based on an immediate release of all Hamas hostages.
Face - would you support an immediate ceasefire with Hamas (and other groups within Gaza) releasing all hostages and POWs at the same time that Israel releases all Palestinians who are detained without charge?
Who are the religious zealots Bertha? Presumably you include the Jewish Israelis and the Muslim Palestinians but what about the Christian Palestinians (or what’s left of them)? Any concern for them?
Despite your lazy attempts to frame it as such, this isn’t a dispute that is driven by religious differences. Hamas exists only in Palestine (predominantly Gaza) for the sole purpose (as their name suggests) of bringing about the freedom of Palestine from occupation by Israel. It’s what their charter states and all of their actions over the years are limited to within the geographical borders of OPT. Contrast that with fundamentalist religious groups like ISIS and Al Qaida who have carried out atrocities in many different countries because their aim is not connected to any land dispute.
of course people can demand an immediate end to unjustified killing of innocent people within all other wrongs being rights
israeli cessation of its slaughter of innocent civilians should be immediate and unconditional and it should hand over control of gaza to a pan arab peacekeeping coalition forthwith
pinko you are basically very very very right wing aren’t you, when the flimsy veneer of oh oh just the facts reasonableness is stripped away
If being very very very right wing is saying I don’t think it’s realistic or reasonable to expect Israel to stop fighting Hamas until the hostages taken on 7 October are released, then call me Himmler
Shall we have a little wager then gorlami? I wager there will be no effective ceasefire, no full exchange of prisoners, no two state solution, no end to the settlements, no destruction of Hamas, no end to this conflict, whether you wait a month, a year, or a decade. Because these people are barbarians driven by religion and millennia of conflict. And the West is well out of it.
And yes Gorlami I think it’s also entirely reasonable to also require the release of any detainees held by Israel otherwise than in accordance with the rule of law
Shall we have a little wager then gorlami? I wager there will be no effective ceasefire, no full exchange of prisoners, no two state solution, no end to the settlements, no destruction of Hamas, no end to this conflict, whether you wait a month, a year, or a decade. Because these people are barbarians driven by religion and millennia of conflict. And the West is well out of it.
Israel is not fighting Hamas, it is attempting to destroy Palestinian society
As I say, I don’t really care that much. Like you don’t care about women’s rights very much. I’ll leave you guys to it. It is quite funny though how a middle aged posho finance lawyer is so concerned about Palestine. You keep at it I’m sure you’ll make all the difference!
Have you discussed your extensive consumption of hardcore porn with them yet, or your numerous threads of women you’d still “bone” despite them having aged to the same age as you?
I don’t think my only parent being a teacher made me middle class Laz. I am middle class now. You’ve always been a posho and always will be, particularly because of your stance on private education. Classic fake leftie
(There is, as an aside, obviously more reason for people of whatever class in the Weat to be aggrieved by Israel killing Palestinian civilians than they are about slaughter in Yemen. Which is our governments constantly kow tow to Israel and underwrite its excesses whereas the same is not true in Yemen. Yes we can hope to do something about it because, in all kinds of ways, Israel is a client and dependent of the governments we vote for. I mean, particularly Americans. But Europeans too.
I am middle class and proud of it. In the south where the middle class has tiers, I’m lower middle class because I wear trainers and like holidays to warm places and football. In the north east Im just posh.
Yes we can hope to do something about it because, in all kinds of ways, Israel is a client and dependent of the governments we vote for. I mean, particularly Americans. But Europeans too.
You have zero influence on Israeli policy. Which is the same influence as you have on the situation in Yemen. The reason you want to publicly comment on Gaza but not Yemen is your desire to be saying the right things on a cause more popular with your tribe.
the West absolutelt has influence over Israeli policy. Do you think they would be so belligerent if they didn’t have bottomless access to American and, yes yes, EU AND british diplomatic support and military kit? And everyone with a vote in western democracies has some degree of influence over their government’s actions. If you don’t believe that, why did you become politically involved by joining the Fvckwit Party in the first place?
I remember being told sneeringly by a supercilious specimen (who shall remain unnamed) that international law very much mattered. As it continues, we can only hope/pray that the US is capable of convincing Israel to stop.
You live in Kent. Under the FPTP system and currently political landscape, your view has zero influence on Israel, particularly when you express it on ROF.
The UK supplies 0.5% of arms to Israel. US two thirds. Given Israel isn’t currently showing they give a fook even what Biden thinks, I think we can safely say what you, Gorlami or Hun-Bun say in orange
The US (and Biden in particular) has full control over the continuation of Israel’s actions. It has been proven in the past (1982 and 2021) that when the president of the United States says enough is enough, Israel complies
If you don’t believe that, why did you become politically involved by joining the Fvckwit Party in the first place?
As I’ve explained before I joined the Tory party when I was 16 to play cheap snooker and drink cheap beer in the Cons club in Middlesbrough. I didn’t keep up my subs when I went to Uni
How can you sit there and state that with a straight face after all that has transpired? One must conclude that you’re going it for the love of the argument. That’s a pretty goulish thing to do, given the context. Standard Laz tho
If being very very very right wing is saying I don’t think it’s realistic or reasonable to expect Israel to stop fighting Hamas until the hostages taken on 7 October are released, then call me Himmler
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Ok Himmler. What should there Gazans do in respect of the hostage taking by the Israelis (which they like too dress up in fancy official -this is definitely not hostage taking- terminology of administrative detention. Because there's fancy terminology Gazans can be expected to submit to Israeli "due process" in respect of the hostages?
Or the continued refusal to recognise the rights of Palestinians to return to their homes following the Zionist terrorist atrocity that led to the nakba and the more recently the blatant murdering of unarmed Palestinians over the decades?
Because we continue to drive awareness of the truth and generate more support amongst anyone who is capable of discussing this with an open mind. In turn, they lend their voice and this translates into pressure on Governments to take action to appease voters.
You used to be much nicer back in the day Face. You were even helpful to me when I was an NQ. Now you just seem to be a bitter curmudgeon. What happened?
Not a funny but the truth. Jewish people have been persecuted throughout history, long before the creation of Israel. There have always been antisemites keen to eliminate them and hamas are simply another current breed of these monsters. Therefore, all the evidence suggests that they would still want to kill all Jews in the scenario you suggest.
Why, do you think Hamas are actually a reasonable organisation?
I can’t be arsed to Google - ExP do you think if I did I could find any murderous pogroms by Muslims against Jews before the creation of Israel. Something tells me it might be likely
To respond to the original post, there are more than one poster for whom I have a new found respect because what they have posted re Gaza reflects a baseline humanitarianism. E.g. LB has many times noted his issues/concerns with Islam (and religion generally) but right from the start of this in October he said that the treatment of civilians in Gaza was wrong. I don't know re Marshall but he has quite right wing views on a lot of things but certainly hasn't followed the standard right-wing Tory line on Gaza.
Equally, there are other posters whose indifference to the suffering and/or support of any action Israel takes is not so in line with their views on UK domestic politics, in particular one wing of the centrist dad contingent, e.g. Davos, Oracle. That wasn't really a surprise to me because there's always been an authoritarianist and xenophobic tinge to British centrist dadism / right-wing of Labour Party (generally and not only on this site).
You gave away a belief that you think that the Palestinians just want to kill Jews for the sake of it. That's absolutely fooking disgraceful that you would assume that Palestinians hate Jews for no reason at all. It makes you racist on the same level as you accuse them of.
Oh ok. So now all muslims are Jew hating murderers.
My comment was simply to highlight that the problem for the Palestinians is beef with the squatters on their land not the race/ religious identity of the squatters
Switch the nouns so all Jews are Muslim hating murderers are you sound Antisemetic.
That's the problem here. Muslims and browns don't get a fair hearing. They're bad guys to start with.
Fifteen years ago middle class educated rof thought it ok to ridicule gays and those with disability ("ghey" /"sunshine bus"). It's just history repeating itself in a different font
Your comment ExP was about Hamas not Palestinians. Just to remind yo, you asked, in your scenario, “would Hamas still want to kill all the Jews”
My reply was clear that Hamas would (based on current evidence). I made no comment about other Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims.
Are you now saying all Palestinians are Hamas? If so, I think that says far more about you than me.
Palestinians are of many different views politically and, I am sure, the minority are in support of Hamas (although the Israeli government seems to be doing its best to change this). My heart breaks daily for the fate of the poor, innocent, persecuted Palestinians who are targeted because Netanyahu thinks, as you appear to do, that all Palestinians are members of Hamas.
Hamas is a product of decades long wrongdoing at the hands of the Israelis which is a country run mostly by and for the benefit of Jews.
It is extremely unlikely that Hamas would write "kill all Jews" into its charter if it was was being oppressed by Ghanaians for decades at a time - the political crucible in which Hamas woukd be formed just wouldn't call for it.
This conflict at its heart is not antisemetic though the ongoing injustice has dragged antisemitism into it. It is about how to divide land which belonged to one people which is now claimed by a second.
“You gave away a belief that you think that the Palestinians just want to kill Jews for the sake of it. That's absolutely fooking disgraceful that you would assume that Palestinians hate Jews for no reason at all. It makes you racist on the same level as you accuse them of. “
Not sure why I’m not not arguing in good faith. Was a simple question. Because my guess is that a few people are now casting doubt on Israel’s right to exist rather than arguing about Gaza/settlements specifically.
I can’t be arsed to Google - ExP do you think if I did I could find any murderous pogroms by Muslims against Jews before the creation of Israel. Something tells me it might be likely
Face - you need to learn some of the history of the region. Jews and Muslims coexisted in the land that is the subject of this dispute for thousands of years. I’m around 100 BC, Jerusalem was a holy city for all three major monotheistic religions. The conflict largely accelerated in the late 19th century with the creation of the Zionism movement and then accelerated in the first part of the 20th century after the Balfour declaration which effectively meant that the British had made promises to the land to the Zionists and to the established Muslim residents who had supported the British in defeating the Ottomans.
So on the subject of who was most culpable for violence and prejudice towards the Jews, the Romans were the driving force of most of the initial Jewish exodus from the land and then Europeans (particularly Russia and other Eastern Europeans) for the pogroms throughout the 19th century and early 20th century.
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Deletion of accounts would be perhaps a tad severe, but it obvious now that there is no justification whatsoever for this madness by the IDF in seeking to eviscerate Gaza and it’s unfortunate citizens.
A short sharp retaliation was justified. Not this wanton destruction.
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You’ve been at this game too long to be that naive Laz. You know that it’s just a matter of laying low and relying on short memories or, more likely, arguing that they have not shown support for Israel’s actions at any point and a demand for “receipts or fvck off”
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Not sure FTSE can shrug his cheerleading.
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I don’t think it is that, gorlami. They are all still chest out meat shields. Totally captured. Incapable of independent thought. AFAIK not one of them has expressed any regret or even reservations about the civilian deaths despite explicit invitations to do so.
Fooking ghouls.
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At the extreme end Tom, yes I agree. The likes of Pez, Amit, Davos, playftse, Wilfred, and Oracle of Delphi are the ones that stick out in my mind.
Revisiting this thread is quite enlightening: https://www.rollonfriday.com/discussion/deleted-tweet?page=0
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ISRAEL IS KICKING PALESTINIAN ASS AND IT IS AWESOME!!
DEAD, MAIMED, WOUNDED, ORPHANED, TRAUMATISED, HOMELESS AND/OR STARVING PALESTINIAN CHILDREN KNOW YOU DON’T MESS WITH THE IDF!!
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THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE VOTED FOR HAMAS!!!!
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Has oracle posted recently? At all I mean
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O tempora ! O mores !
One day you're a Centrist Dad, you're in the gang, everything you say is backed up by the gang, then one slip and you're "at the extreme end" and a "meatshield".
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I like how gorlami's list of unclean people has at least three accounts that are the same terrible tw@ with multiple logins.
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Really? At the risk of sea-lioning, which ones?
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Not the first recent schism in the centrist dads
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Davos is missed but he was extreme (and extremely gullible) in his unconditional support for israel and it’s fair to call him on it.
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He definitely isn’t missed
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As long as Israel is claiming it's not a genocidal maniac there'll be people arguing Israel is not a genocidal maniac even though you can see with your own eyes that Israel is a genocidal maniac. At this point it's a threat to global peace and tanks need to roll in for regime change and this truly would be an intervention on humanitarian grounds.
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Risky exposing himself here. Not being able to fathom people having different opinions is very Guidobot thinking.
The centrist dads are having a schism, they are not following the party line like us obedient guidiots
@Gorlami, do you really not know?
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Davos is still here FFS.
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RR - I returned to ROF after a 15+ year hiatus in October (for which I’m sure you’re grateful). It took me a month to realise who Laz and Clergs were. I haven’t yet had the time or inclination to figure out who is posting under which sock puppet names
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Sure
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Good chat
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Oh is davos buckaroo? Sad if true
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Buckaroo is mugen right?
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Who is Davis posting as?
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I won't deadname him, but he is among us.
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As Tom says, it would be most interesting to know those individuals’ views today and whether there’s been any movement, any retraction, any sense of remorse, anything. I had so many skirmishes with silly Davos on this.
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Davos is fond of cheese
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when people refer to a poster called “Cheese” what username are they referring to?
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No he isn’t. Fond of cheese seems sensible.
And while you’re here YWTF, care to provide an update as to whether you’ve changed your mind on anything? Have the thousands of dead humans managed to convince you yet that we might actually be the bad guys here?
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Who’s “we”?
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I find it very difficult to care that much about two sets of religious zealots in a situation which will never change.
It seems clear to me that Hamas’s murderous terror was impossible to justify, as are Israel’s clear war crimes. I’ve said this before. What more do you want?
I can’t see how anyone can demand a ceasefire without it being based on an immediate release of all Hamas hostages.
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Face - would you support an immediate ceasefire with Hamas (and other groups within Gaza) releasing all hostages and POWs at the same time that Israel releases all Palestinians who are detained without charge?
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“I find it very difficult to care that much about two sets of religious zealots in a situation which will never change.”
^^^^^^^^
This
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Who are the religious zealots Bertha? Presumably you include the Jewish Israelis and the Muslim Palestinians but what about the Christian Palestinians (or what’s left of them)? Any concern for them?
Despite your lazy attempts to frame it as such, this isn’t a dispute that is driven by religious differences. Hamas exists only in Palestine (predominantly Gaza) for the sole purpose (as their name suggests) of bringing about the freedom of Palestine from occupation by Israel. It’s what their charter states and all of their actions over the years are limited to within the geographical borders of OPT. Contrast that with fundamentalist religious groups like ISIS and Al Qaida who have carried out atrocities in many different countries because their aim is not connected to any land dispute.
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of course people can demand an immediate end to unjustified killing of innocent people within all other wrongs being rights
israeli cessation of its slaughter of innocent civilians should be immediate and unconditional and it should hand over control of gaza to a pan arab peacekeeping coalition forthwith
pinko you are basically very very very right wing aren’t you, when the flimsy veneer of oh oh just the facts reasonableness is stripped away
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Face is the Douglas Murray of ROF
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If being very very very right wing is saying I don’t think it’s realistic or reasonable to expect Israel to stop fighting Hamas until the hostages taken on 7 October are released, then call me Himmler
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Shall we have a little wager then gorlami? I wager there will be no effective ceasefire, no full exchange of prisoners, no two state solution, no end to the settlements, no destruction of Hamas, no end to this conflict, whether you wait a month, a year, or a decade. Because these people are barbarians driven by religion and millennia of conflict. And the West is well out of it.
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And yes Gorlami I think it’s also entirely reasonable to also require the release of any detainees held by Israel otherwise than in accordance with the rule of law
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Very rare agree with Cookie. I give less of a fvck about this than other stuff because both sides are driven by ridiculous religious dogma.
I can’t remember Honeybun or Laz posting about the Muslims dying in Yemen. I’m sure there’s a reason why
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Israel is not fighting Hamas, it is attempting to destroy Palestinian society
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Shall we have a little wager then gorlami? I wager there will be no effective ceasefire, no full exchange of prisoners, no two state solution, no end to the settlements, no destruction of Hamas, no end to this conflict, whether you wait a month, a year, or a decade. Because these people are barbarians driven by religion and millennia of conflict. And the West is well out of it.
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HEH NOW HE’S ROLLED OUT THE WHATABOUTERY, PEOPLE, THE RIGHT WING DECLOAKING IS COMPLETE!!
You’ve admitted to being a former member of the Conservative Party FGS you ABSOLUTE wally.
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As I say, I don’t really care that much. Like you don’t care about women’s rights very much. I’ll leave you guys to it. It is quite funny though how a middle aged posho finance lawyer is so concerned about Palestine. You keep at it I’m sure you’ll make all the difference!
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Rof Royalty inbound to tell you that you don’t know what whataboutery is
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Except I do, obviously, are about women’s rights quite considerably, being as I am a father of two girls. Nice try tho
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Heh @ Posho
A lot of your positions are basically class driven aren’t they, even tho we know your Ma was a teacher so you’re actually middle class
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Have you discussed your extensive consumption of hardcore porn with them yet, or your numerous threads of women you’d still “bone” despite them having aged to the same age as you?
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I don’t think my only parent being a teacher made me middle class Laz. I am middle class now. You’ve always been a posho and always will be, particularly because of your stance on private education. Classic fake leftie
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(There is, as an aside, obviously more reason for people of whatever class in the Weat to be aggrieved by Israel killing Palestinian civilians than they are about slaughter in Yemen. Which is our governments constantly kow tow to Israel and underwrite its excesses whereas the same is not true in Yemen. Yes we can hope to do something about it because, in all kinds of ways, Israel is a client and dependent of the governments we vote for. I mean, particularly Americans. But Europeans too.
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Heh! Shots fired.
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I am middle class and proud of it. In the south where the middle class has tiers, I’m lower middle class because I wear trainers and like holidays to warm places and football. In the north east Im just posh.
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anyway must we fight m88
I see you like a brother really
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You have zero influence on Israeli policy. Which is the same influence as you have on the situation in Yemen. The reason you want to publicly comment on Gaza but not Yemen is your desire to be saying the right things on a cause more popular with your tribe.
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I don’t think he’s fondodcheese
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the West absolutelt has influence over Israeli policy. Do you think they would be so belligerent if they didn’t have bottomless access to American and, yes yes, EU AND british diplomatic support and military kit? And everyone with a vote in western democracies has some degree of influence over their government’s actions. If you don’t believe that, why did you become politically involved by joining the Fvckwit Party in the first place?
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saying things popular with your tribe is good, fgs
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I remember being told sneeringly by a supercilious specimen (who shall remain unnamed) that international law very much mattered. As it continues, we can only hope/pray that the US is capable of convincing Israel to stop.
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International law very much does matter.
People who take the so-called realist view of international relations are among the self-identifying intelligentsia’s bigger collections of fvckwits
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You live in Kent. Under the FPTP system and currently political landscape, your view has zero influence on Israel, particularly when you express it on ROF.
The UK supplies 0.5% of arms to Israel. US two thirds. Given Israel isn’t currently showing they give a fook even what Biden thinks, I think we can safely say what you, Gorlami or Hun-Bun say in orange
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doesn’t matter where I live
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collective expression of intent matters in any democracy
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Wot Laz said with bells on
The US (and Biden in particular) has full control over the continuation of Israel’s actions. It has been proven in the past (1982 and 2021) that when the president of the United States says enough is enough, Israel complies
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If you don’t believe that, why did you become politically involved by joining the Fvckwit Party in the first place?
As I’ve explained before I joined the Tory party when I was 16 to play cheap snooker and drink cheap beer in the Cons club in Middlesbrough. I didn’t keep up my subs when I went to Uni
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How can you sit there and state that with a straight face after all that has transpired? One must conclude that you’re going it for the love of the argument. That’s a pretty goulish thing to do, given the context. Standard Laz tho
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And the US having control over Israel is relevant now to you both being very excited about Gaza but uninterested in Yemen?
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If being very very very right wing is saying I don’t think it’s realistic or reasonable to expect Israel to stop fighting Hamas until the hostages taken on 7 October are released, then call me Himmler
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Ok Himmler. What should there Gazans do in respect of the hostage taking by the Israelis (which they like too dress up in fancy official -this is definitely not hostage taking- terminology of administrative detention. Because there's fancy terminology Gazans can be expected to submit to Israeli "due process" in respect of the hostages?
Or the continued refusal to recognise the rights of Palestinians to return to their homes following the Zionist terrorist atrocity that led to the nakba and the more recently the blatant murdering of unarmed Palestinians over the decades?
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Because we continue to drive awareness of the truth and generate more support amongst anyone who is capable of discussing this with an open mind. In turn, they lend their voice and this translates into pressure on Governments to take action to appease voters.
C’mon Face it’s not that hard to understand
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Awareness and truth. On ROF.
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You think I only post on Rof?
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No I think nobody who matters gives a fook wherever you post. Or speak.
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You used to be much nicer back in the day Face. You were even helpful to me when I was an NQ. Now you just seem to be a bitter curmudgeon. What happened?
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You turned into a khvnt seems to sum it up
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😂 someone woke up angry today
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If ethnic Ghanaians decided to terrorise Palestinians to set up a Ghanaian colony in Palestine, would Hamas still want to kill all the Jews?
If not, is this war really about land theft or stamping out anti Semites?
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“If ethnic Ghanaians decided to terrorise Palestinians to set up a Ghanaian colony in Palestine, would Hamas still want to kill all the Jews?”
Yes but they’d probably also want to kill Ghanaians too.
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You did a funny? Because I think you accidentally gave something away.
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What did I give away?
Not a funny but the truth. Jewish people have been persecuted throughout history, long before the creation of Israel. There have always been antisemites keen to eliminate them and hamas are simply another current breed of these monsters. Therefore, all the evidence suggests that they would still want to kill all Jews in the scenario you suggest.
Why, do you think Hamas are actually a reasonable organisation?
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I can’t be arsed to Google - ExP do you think if I did I could find any murderous pogroms by Muslims against Jews before the creation of Israel. Something tells me it might be likely
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To respond to the original post, there are more than one poster for whom I have a new found respect because what they have posted re Gaza reflects a baseline humanitarianism. E.g. LB has many times noted his issues/concerns with Islam (and religion generally) but right from the start of this in October he said that the treatment of civilians in Gaza was wrong. I don't know re Marshall but he has quite right wing views on a lot of things but certainly hasn't followed the standard right-wing Tory line on Gaza.
Equally, there are other posters whose indifference to the suffering and/or support of any action Israel takes is not so in line with their views on UK domestic politics, in particular one wing of the centrist dad contingent, e.g. Davos, Oracle. That wasn't really a surprise to me because there's always been an authoritarianist and xenophobic tinge to British centrist dadism / right-wing of Labour Party (generally and not only on this site).
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Heh so many people speaking for Davos
Wonder why that is??? Poshos
Nobody speaks for davos
Not even davos
Davos never dies. They are the hope in all working class heroes
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tbf, Pinko has cited possibly the only defensible basis for joining the conservative party I’ve ever heard
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Continuity error Davis
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Welcome back Davos M8, even though about 95% of your stuff is plain nonsense.
I had assumed your firm had somehow uncovered you, and gave you an ultimatum to stop posting…
If not, why the hiatus?
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Hi MH old pal. Hope all is well with the familien, the shed and the business
Only 95? I must do better!
Davos character will resurface when needed. They are not the hero you want, just the hero you need
Not you specifically, but the rof community
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We don’t need another hero
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You gave away a belief that you think that the Palestinians just want to kill Jews for the sake of it. That's absolutely fooking disgraceful that you would assume that Palestinians hate Jews for no reason at all. It makes you racist on the same level as you accuse them of.
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Glad to have you back Davos account.
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Oh ok. So now all muslims are Jew hating murderers.
My comment was simply to highlight that the problem for the Palestinians is beef with the squatters on their land not the race/ religious identity of the squatters
Switch the nouns so all Jews are Muslim hating murderers are you sound Antisemetic.
That's the problem here. Muslims and browns don't get a fair hearing. They're bad guys to start with.
Fifteen years ago middle class educated rof thought it ok to ridicule gays and those with disability ("ghey" /"sunshine bus"). It's just history repeating itself in a different font
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Your comment ExP was about Hamas not Palestinians. Just to remind yo, you asked, in your scenario, “would Hamas still want to kill all the Jews”
My reply was clear that Hamas would (based on current evidence). I made no comment about other Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims.
Are you now saying all Palestinians are Hamas? If so, I think that says far more about you than me.
Palestinians are of many different views politically and, I am sure, the minority are in support of Hamas (although the Israeli government seems to be doing its best to change this). My heart breaks daily for the fate of the poor, innocent, persecuted Palestinians who are targeted because Netanyahu thinks, as you appear to do, that all Palestinians are members of Hamas.
Do better.
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Sorry my error with the wording.
This is the overall point is making:
Hamas is a product of decades long wrongdoing at the hands of the Israelis which is a country run mostly by and for the benefit of Jews.
It is extremely unlikely that Hamas would write "kill all Jews" into its charter if it was was being oppressed by Ghanaians for decades at a time - the political crucible in which Hamas woukd be formed just wouldn't call for it.
This conflict at its heart is not antisemetic though the ongoing injustice has dragged antisemitism into it. It is about how to divide land which belonged to one people which is now claimed by a second.
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Which land are you talking about ExP? The whole of Israel? Are you denying the right of the only Jewish country in the world to exist?
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Care to apologise for this now?
“You gave away a belief that you think that the Palestinians just want to kill Jews for the sake of it. That's absolutely fooking disgraceful that you would assume that Palestinians hate Jews for no reason at all. It makes you racist on the same level as you accuse them of. “
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Yes. I'll apologise for that CJ
Wilfrid , you don't argue in good faith.
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Jim has bossed this.
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Thanks ExP. Water under the bridge now.
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Thanks Rob, that’s nice of you to say.
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Not sure why I’m not not arguing in good faith. Was a simple question. Because my guess is that a few people are now casting doubt on Israel’s right to exist rather than arguing about Gaza/settlements specifically.
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Wilfred - why does Israel have a right to exist? And does Palestine have the same right or is it different?
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Face - you need to learn some of the history of the region. Jews and Muslims coexisted in the land that is the subject of this dispute for thousands of years. I’m around 100 BC, Jerusalem was a holy city for all three major monotheistic religions. The conflict largely accelerated in the late 19th century with the creation of the Zionism movement and then accelerated in the first part of the 20th century after the Balfour declaration which effectively meant that the British had made promises to the land to the Zionists and to the established Muslim residents who had supported the British in defeating the Ottomans.
So on the subject of who was most culpable for violence and prejudice towards the Jews, the Romans were the driving force of most of the initial Jewish exodus from the land and then Europeans (particularly Russia and other Eastern Europeans) for the pogroms throughout the 19th century and early 20th century.
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Although your general point stands, it's worth pointing out that neither Islam nor, by definition, Christianity existed in 100BC
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