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These rumours about David Cameron

Staying on as Foreign Secretary under Keir Starmers government - obviously it woikd be  a  very good thing, one because CMD is doing a great job and secondly because having a proper Conservative foreign policy is the right thing to do.

But it also exposes how bare the Labour cupboard iis once you get past  Starmer and Sue Gray.

It won't happen but by allowing the thought to linger they lay the ground work to bring in Rory Stewart as foreign secretary. That I think IS possible, maybe even quite likely. 

That is exactly why it would be an amazing decision tbh. 

We are in no position to ask for concessions frankly. Brexit is an unmitigated disaster that has essentially destroyed the UK's place as a top tier nation. We just need to forget it happened. 

i assume these rumours can all be traced back to david cameron's £25k shed

labour are going to be +250 MPs, the current parliamentary party is mostly irrelevant to what a future government will look like

Give over sumo. Labour invented this concept.

 

Look at Lords Charlie Falconer, Digby Jones, Andrew Adonis, Baroness Scotland, Baroness Ashton of Upholland etc .

Diceman - because it would be a signal that the labour government was a government for all the country and be a nod to the millions of by nature right of centre voters who are going to lend labour their votes to get the current pack of scumbags out. Because it would re-assure the security services and the army and the prison services and police that a labour government isn't a threat to them.  Because it would show just how strong and confident Starmer was in selecting form all the available talents and also, because unlike Cameron I suspect Stewart will endorse labour by the time the GE happens. 

Because it would re-assure the security services and the army and the prison services and police that a labour government isn't a threat to them.

Lol what

Anyone who needs such "reassurance" isn't worth spending a second's thought on.

Sorry, but that isn't true Threep. You have to remember the labour party was very recently lead by Corbyn who openly opposed the renewal of Trident and was a lifelong campaigner for unilateral disarmament.  He also openly opposed the west providing military support to Ukraine for fvcks sake (admittedly after he ceased being leader). 

The current shadow Foreign Secretary nominated Corbyn for the labour leadership. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

can you imagine if labour won 450 seats and handed one of the great offices of state to an old-etonian podcast tory who failed at everything he ever tried in politics

absolutely crippling west wing brain

I think Stewart would make a good foriegn secretary, but only if he first becomes a Labour MP.   How do you mean he has "failed at everything he has ever done in politics"?   He was elected MP repeatedly and was minster in various departments and then a cabinet minister.   He lost a leadership election but if not becoming leader of your party marks you as a political failure than 99.9 per cent of politicians are faiiures.

Donny Darko's Soundrack15 Mar 24 09:23

Because it would re-assure the security services and the army and the prison services and police that a labour government isn't a threat to them.

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it's not the 1970s

Labour are the only hope for those services not being gutted (Hunt) or compromised by either chinese (Cameron) or Russian (Boris) assets 

Diceman, not sure about that, he is of a military background with Tory instincts, it is only the Tories' lurch to the populist right that has disillusioned him.     That said he was always going to be the wettest of wet Tories.

And nominating Jeremy Corbyn because you think he has no chance of winning doesn't show erratic judgement? 

I am  not campaigning for Stewart to be foreign secretary for its own sake but I do think Starmer should think about making some significant gestures to firm up the position that his labour government will be centrist.  Partly because they have revealed so little policy there isn't anything like as much clarity around the mandate they will have in the way there was when Blair won. Starmer needs to set the tone quickly or they run the risk of sinking into infighting and getting nothing done. 

Labour will win an absolutely enormous landslide.  There is no way they are appointing anyone outside the party and nor should they.  If Starmer has any sense however he will pick a moderate cabinet to give us all a break from the extremist populist nonsense dominating our politics since the Brexit vote.

The OP doesn't say that bit you made up in your second sentence though.

 

That's what's actually fucķed up in politics. People like you who deliberately misinterpret stuff to make an unnecessarily aggressive and wholly inaccurate  comment.

oh and Cameron is nothing special, he is rather vapid old etonian who coasted to the top by virtue of privilege and connections, a failure as a PM, architect of the twin disasters of austerity and brexit - he is just looks like a grown up compared to Brexity a-holes dominating the current government. 

Not sure Cameron is representative of it, but admitting this country is turbo-fooked thanks to a dogmatic unchecked bunch of crooks and needs all the help it can get is a commendable sentiment. What's tragic, as this thread represents, is there are still brainless morons willing to defend these crooks at all costs. 

I don’t get this love for Stewart. I mean I do - he’s the Tory that Labour supporters like best so he gets a lot of media coverage and buzz - but you guys realise that most of the people who like him are NOT in the Tory party right?

The Tories basically have two wings - one is the ERG wing that Reform is competing with (Suella and Kemi on the front bench plus various backbenchers) and the other is the old school old money Etonian wing that people like Clubbers and other traditional ROF Tories support (Cameron, Rishi and others).

Stewart is a bit closer to the latter but he’s basically a Blairite New Labour MP in his views - he just gets a lot more publicity as a Tory than as another identikit Labour MP.

As for Cameron he won two general elections, led the Tories for 11 years and resigned at a time of his own choosing. Not to say he didn’t make mistakes but it’s a bit rich to call him an incompetent over promoted toff

I think crashing your country out of one of the greatest free trade areas for political expediency, then running off, counts as incompetent. He is a "toff". 

The ERG is dominant now, and many of their representatives are in the safest Tory seats. The one nation wing is done. Cameron saved the Tories by reviving it post IDS, Howard, Hague, but the "vote Tory cos you owned your own house" supporters are dying out and all that's left is rich hawks and xenophobes that prop up the ERG. 

The right are unelectable, but have always had the cover of the one nation idea until now. There will never be another Tory govt. The party is bankrupt, both morally and economically, and everybody under 50 has an abiding memory of what they have been up to for the last 14 years. 

And again I ask who is suggesting Cameron? Him and his mates perchance? He’s a stooge for our enemies, he got not a single big call right, despite having the backing of the establishment for his entire life. Lock him up. 

And I actually heard from a senior mandarin (friend of the family) that Rachel Reeves would stay on as shadow chancellor and Jeremy Hunt would stay on as Chancellor under a Starmer regime.

Food for thought indeed.

I expect he is regarded as "not a aunt" by the EU, and the EU is such a hot potato with Momentum types prob a good idea to have someone outside the tent taking the hit if discussions go pear shaped. 

Also not beyond the realms of possibility one nation Tories defect to Labour. The next Tory leader is going to be a massive aunt that drives them further into the mire as they are intent on repeating 1997-2005. 

HEH at Cameron resigning at a time of his own choosing ffs and what bananaman said about that! Come off it Stru. He basically presented himself as the heir to Blair to get elected. Largely did fvck all as PM and then fvcked up the UK in a massive massive way. He is the very definition of an incompetent, over promoted toff. 

Stewart is basically a classic paternalistic Tory in the Macmillan mode. They are an extremely endangered species now but the few of them who remain will probably gradually move to labour (provided labour doesn't push for anything radical on constitutional reform).  Most of them have abandoned the more extreme aspects of their social conservatism these days so they are really blairites anyway. 

The likes of Cameron and Rishi (i.e. expensively educated spivs) will never join labour. 

Rory to the UN or DC working hand in glove with Sam Powers at USAID (again) would be a remarkable and astute move from a Labour govt. Sam might even be the next Secretary of State in a second Biden admin.

Madders I might have been trolling a bit by not mentioning Cameron’s Brexit screwup but he did win twice in a row. And even Blair had Iraq despite being ten times the politician of anyone currently around in either party (except maybe Boris but Blair was more stable and less erratic)

Stewart appears more Labour now because the Tories have lurched so far to the populist right but he remains economically a conservative and defends austerity to this day.   He policy ideas are probably more Clegg era Lib Dem than Labour.

playftse4me15 Mar 24 10:10

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The OP doesn't say that bit you made up in your second sentence though.

That's what's actually fucķed up in politics. People like you who deliberately misinterpret stuff to make an unnecessarily aggressive and wholly inaccurate  comment.

let’s all take a moment 2 pause and enjoy the truly world-beating hypocrisy right here

excellent trolling. bravo amit

The David Cameron whose foreign policy included putting cutting ties with our biggest trading partner on the table, oversaw a dishonest campaign in respect of it and then fooked off when the shit hit the fan. That David Cameron?

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