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Tozzas Nineteen Per Cent

Latest You Gov poll:

 

Lab: 44

Con: 19

Reform: 15

LD: 9

 

Wipeout. Whoo-hoo!

Some defections to Lab, but mostly to Ref, mostly older, working class voters. 

Shows the right, although in total it has 34 p.c., it is extreme as well as divided.

The centre right is dead.

 

ah kaul, even if the tozzas started directly murdering babies live on tv there would still b some diehards who support them come wot may: eg hanners, amit, diceman and 3-ducks

Well you know, this trash government is funding a batshit psycho government in the Middle East that is er “directly murdering babies on live tv”. As would no doubt the next trash government. And there would be continued support of both that trash government and the psycho murdering one. 

That’s all.

If I had actually been banned (oh nooo the shame lol) I would have no problem saying so. 

Worrying you think someone calling for babies not to be killed should be banned though. 

 

I do wonder if there is an absolute massacre of the tories, what will rise from the ashes - will it essentially morph into UKIP at that point, and if it does, under the first past the post system do we have a risk of a US style of politics where the far-right actually has a legit shot at power?

I am centre-right and voting labour at the next election (as the tories need to be out of office a while to reflect) - i do vaguely worry however if we will still be crowing at their utter destruction if in 7 years time the election is between labour (which has had some economic woes) and some kind of quasi-UKIP-tory party exploiting the anger to put an actual anderson type in power? 

 

Alot will depend on which tories survive the cull - will it be hard-right headbangers or the slightly more one-nation ones (although i accept the one-nations have given up the centre right to kippers under boris).

 

My hope is a heavy defeat but not total massacre as the latter could leave us with a "be careful what you wish for scenio" if only nutters are left standing. 

I would guess the majority of the voting population in this country is broadly centre right. You might not think it because of the noise, including on here, but its probably true.

Big bad - if the defining characteristic of a one nation Tory is an inclination for public spending that is only a cigarette paper different than the new Labourites , Boris was as one nation as they come 

"I do wonder if there is an absolute massacre of the tories, what will rise from the ashes - will it essentially morph into UKIP at that point"

Surely history and logic tell us the opposite?

Eg:

  • Corbyn is unacceptably left and incompetent
  • Tories win a big majority and shift to the right
  • Labour rejuvenates and occupies the vacated centre ground.

So this time:

  • Tories are unacceptably right and incompetent
  • Labour wins a big majority and shifts to the left (because it can and will come under internal pressure to do so from party members)
  • Tories rejuvenate and occupy the vacated centre ground.

I suppose speculation is pointless unless you happen to know the state of the internal party membership at present, where the mix of party funding comes from, what the politics of the preponderance of the large number of new Labour MPs is likely to be... I don't have a clue tbf tbf.

Is anyone on here familiar with the funding rules? I imagine one Anthony Charles Lynton Blair has funnelled some of his millions in, thereby making the unions minor partners where they belong. 

It'll be interesting to see what's Labour's announcement on energy security and sustainability is going to be. The cost of energy is likely to be the biggest threat to economy and way of life in the next 10 years and renewables need to get much cheaper quickly. 

It's a shame they ditched the £28bn commitment. If they get energy generation right then any right wing movements will be out of favour for years and years. 

They can do it on the quiet. A headline commitment gives the Nazis too big a stick. The best green policy would be a set of massive JVs to build green fridges, cars, boilers at affordable prices backed by stronger regulation. Decimate emissions. 

I would guess the majority of the voting population in this country is broadly centre right

The vast majority don't think about politics from one day to the next. 

Really dumb people assume the majority of other people think just like them.

Well it's just common sense to be centre right and I am full of it, so I bet most people are like me

Bertie Wooster life

"the vast majority of the electorate is broadly centre right"

Absolutely wrong, with the possible exception of the last election the country has voted left/centre left  for decades but because the votes are split between Lib Dems and Labour more often than not the Tories win.    

 

(although i accept the one-nations have given up the centre right to kippers under boris)

because boris ditched all the moderates and surrounded himself with right-wing sycophantic incompetents who were grateful to get a job and its been downhill ever since. 

labour (which has had some economic woes)

Horsesh1t from someone who no doubt voted for Cameron. What "economic woes" (i.e. direct results of labour policy so don't mention the GFC pls) have labour had which come even close to austerity-brexit? 

Threep - sorry I wasn’t clear - I meant any party that is in power ends up with some economic woes on their watch at some point - wasn’t a dig at the Blair era Labour Party.

What I mean was in FPTP - the opposition always gets a sniff at some point and if they have become mentalists that could be a problem a la corbyn nearly getting in - you could end up with right-wing corbyn if the timing is wrong in the future 

People talk about Corbyn getting in as if it would have been worse than the last seven years of Tory farce.  It absolutely would not.  The Labour manifesto in 2017 (and 2019) was reasonable and moderate, far more moderate than the crazy Brexit the Tories forced through and the economy crashing right wing fookwittery of Truss not to mention the dishonesty and incompetence of the creature Johnson. 

 Maybe Corbyn woudnt have been the best PM ever but Labour even under Corbyn would absolutely have been better than the worst government in modern history we have seen since 2017.

Even before their current woes the Tories were polling badly, without a majority in any age bracket below 50. 

The ERG wing forgot the lessons of the Hague, IDS, Howard years and assumed Brexit plus Corbyn's non-opposition meant they had a MAGA type rump that would always vote for them. The question was how to pluck floating voters off. Turns out the vast majority of Britons are centrists with a penchant for moderate socialism as long as they don't have to fund it. Blair's real triumph was to realise this and try and use PFI to transform society to be more productive and equal before the bills became due. The Tories shut this off and left us with a half-built building blown away by Brexit. 

Unless another Cameron comes along, likely impossible due to the one nation hollowing out, this lot are dead in the water. I expect the Lib Dems will shift right, Reform (as they already seem to be doing) will plot a quiet path to legitimacy akin to AfD, eventually meaning there could be a right wing coalition to take power at some point with an agreement to instigate PR. 

What's really pathetic is the number of Tories running for the exits. Just shows they were mainly in it for the snout in the trough rather than any values. 

Corbyn would have been worse as he would have been elected on a pure Momentum ticket still committed to Brexit. At that point any business on the fence re. Brexit would have said "fook this, let's move to Ireland". We would likely have had interest rates that would make Truss and Kwarteng look like Paul Volcker. 

No, he was not elected on a "pure momentum ticket" the manifesto was moderate and his small majority would have meant he could not do much that was more radical.

Labour would have undoubtedly arranged a far more moderate brexit than the hard brexit that will cost us countless billions for the forseeable future as well as almost restarting civil war in Northern Ireland

A Corbyn government would have been a disaster. It was roughly as radical a manifesto as the Truss agenda and the markets would have reacted the same way. Plus he is a fvcking idiot. It is irrelevant though because he is gone. 

Please explain what exactly was so radical in the Labour manifesto?

We can speculate that the Corbyn government would have been a disaster (personally I think it would have been less of a disaster than the Tory government, particularly dealing with Brexit and Covid).,  But we know that the Tory government has been a disaster so a bit weird to use Corbyn as a hypothetical example of how bad things could be under FPTP when we have lived through it for real.

 

I think Corbyn would have done less to scare the horses domestically than many seem to think, whipped up into paranoia by the right wing media moguls who were worried for their empires.  Foreign Policy is probably where the bigger problems would have sat.    He is essentially a pacifist and that is not what is needed at present.

Didn’t Corbyn promise a second referendum with an option to remain?  Ergo Brexit wouldn’t have happened, meaning that notwithstanding literally anything else he could have done with his small majority/supply and confidence arrangement with the LDs, he would have done a fraction of the harm that the Tories have done, even if you consider that the moderate and sensible manifesto was just a pack of lies and a trojan horse for the party’s real Marxist agenda.  

I am in the party Three, it did not and has not in living memory got a "marxist agenda" marxists hate the labour party, even the momentum wing, far more than the Tories. Labour has nothing to do wih marxism

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