Who tf is travelling first class these days

People who aren’t paying for it.

Under my employer’s policy I can do first class for journies of over an hour (which is all of them) but I’ve stopped doing it since it basically became £400 more from my local station to Cambridge often getting absolutely nothing but a different seat to sit in.  The trains in the country are totally and utterly fvcked.

I didn't say fatcat and I am absolutely of the view that senior civil servants should travel by first class train (and business class for long haul flights). 

Hair shirts are stupid and counterproductive.  You want people to look and feel valued and not turn up to meetings knackered and p1ssed off where possible. 

Most big organisations tend to have blanket polices around class of travel rather than looking at the cost of particular journeys. 

Funny thing is, I just had a barney with some external solicitors over this!

Their T&C's say Partners, of Counsel and Senior Associates travel first class with the statement "this enables them to work on the train.

Fast forward and February we have a dialogue meeting 4 hours by train.  On the return journey the Partner clocks up travel and the next day charges for doing the minutes of the meeting and some emails allocating tasks, the was 4 hours.

I refused to pay both periods of time, I'm not paying for them to travel first class and work efficiently on some other clients matter.

They have agreed they should have done the work on the train or not charged separately.

 

Looks like 1st class upgrade is about £30 each way on direct services on that route (picked 11.10 tomorrow as example).

Surely worth that just for the free scran ?

If you want a lawyer to be at a certain place then you have to pay their travel time 

Otherwise do it on Teams or whatever 

Working on a train is quite difficult really, particularly given WiFi is terrible and there isn't always mobile signal for hotspotting. Id rather travel standard class and watch a film and relax, but we are allowed to travel first as partners 

My shop has a policy for junior staff of not paying first class but will pay a standard open return. So we can all book advance first and they gladly pay it. I think the more senior people can get first (or used to). 

If I were in charge of rail fares this sort of nonsense would be banned pronto. Almost no one - on expenses or not - is going to pay these insane first class fares. I was quoted over a grand to go to/from Lakes from London in first class for 1 adult and 2 kids with a railcard. No one is going to pay that - if you could afford to you're going to be in a chauffered car/helicopter/whatever. 

The impression they leave is dreadful. 

you're forgetting, you pay that huge premium, get on the train and all the services onboard are cancelled due to staff shortages.  Might as well have stuck with cattle class.

Almost no one - on expenses or not - is going to pay these insane first class fares.

Remember (and I can only speak for Avanti) they’ve replaced most of the First carriages with Premium Plus or whatever it’s called, so there’s only one or two first carriages, and every time I’ve been on them they’re full so people clearly are.

My second leg is from KX to Cambridge and the “Great” Northern First is literally the same as the others but with a Father Ted Doylee (sp?) over the headrest.  You’d genuinely have to be mentally ill to pay for First on that journey alone.